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kids me oh my gosh this is that triangle

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everything that occurred in the

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aliens at all it was completely silent

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classic he's also really standing in the

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held his hand and he looked in his eyes

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and said we're not alone welcome to

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podcast UFO for our live show during the

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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Willis your host and we have another

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great show for you this evening we have

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Joe Maria known as UFO Joe you've got to

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check out his his blog it's really a

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great blog and that is actually at UFO

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Joe dotnet mota great articles very good

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insight and before that I have Alejandro

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Rojas coming up with the UFO updates I

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did want to tell everyone we have a new

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number we're going to be trying out for

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the first time tonight with a call

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screener and that number is 85 kg are a

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live write it down I will put it up

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though for people in YouTube and that's

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eight five five four seven two five four

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eight three and that again that number

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will be displayed during the show so

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coming up the you know how I had to do a

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rerun recently it looks like I'm gonna

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have to do something like that but I'm

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not really sure because I'll be love

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I believe in Phoenix when this show was

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supposed to go live on the 3rd of

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September so we're going to work

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something out I'm definitely going to do

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a show at the UFO Congress live some

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type of roundtable it just won't be on

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Tuesday night

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it'll so you people on YouTube and the

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podcast listeners don't be discouraged

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it will be happening a live show that

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week should be another great one as

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usual they always are there and I think

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well besides thinking

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everyone that listens to the show and

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the supporters of this show I'm about

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done and I'm ready to call in Alejandro

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Rojas

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welcome to the show Alejandro hello

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hello looking forward to Martin's famous

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live international UFO Congress that's

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right yeah yes every year and attended

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by so many this time I'm gonna really

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tell it's always interfered with you

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know the dinners and things like that so

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since I can't have it on the night I

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want to have it on anyway I'm gonna try

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to do it the most flexible time for more

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people to show up because that's the

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reason you couldn't show up for one yeah

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exactly right in the middle of the

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dinner that you have to be yeah yeah I'm

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on stage while you're doing that and of

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course our dinner is a meet the

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speaker's dinner and then here you are

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taking speakers away from yeah yeah you

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not only their dinner but their beloved

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you've always really appreciated that so

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it'll be different this year anyway so

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but looking forward to that and we can

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we have a ton of news this week right

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yeah yeah so swamped with UFO Congress

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stuff yeah we could get to that if we

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have a chance but there's a code 10% off

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if you use the code kgr a so since we're

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on Katie Ari it's appropriate if you go

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to UFO Congress calm you can get that

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discount but like you said there's been

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news that you and I haven't spoken up on

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your show before and I just wrote

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something on the Roswell Daily Record

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about it is this congressman who wrote a

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letter asking the Navy for more

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information about UFOs this is

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representative mark Walker from North

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Carolina and he is on the House

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subcommittee of Homeland Security and

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the ranking member of the Subcommittee

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on intelligence and counterterrorism why

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is that important that's important

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positions you know what you are

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describing or what these Navy pilots are

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describing seeing is something

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unidentified something we don't know

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that's a security issue and we need to

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know more specifically he's asking if

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these accounts are

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true you know then are they

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investigating them he notes that

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according to the New York Times article

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that the DoD said they cancelled the

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Pentagon's UFO program the one that we

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only found out about because a guy who

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used to run it Louise Elizondo come came

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out and told us about it so he says if

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you cancelled that program

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why aren't you investigating these you

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need to be so are you are there any

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other programs like a tip that exists

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he's asking you know if not who

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investigates them

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why aren't you investigating him if you

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don't and if you do what have you found

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and are the Chinese involved and so let

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really the a tip question and the

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Chinese one are particularly interesting

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working on this technology because of a

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patent that the Navy had submitted and

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Tylar rogue away from the drive is

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written a lot about this and these weird

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patents really describe technology that

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is kind of theoretical and we're going

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to be not approved for that reason

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however the CEO or the CFO of the Navy

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wrote in and said hey these are legit

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Chinese are already working on and

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because of this letter they got approved

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so that's really interesting so Walker's

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asking what do you mean the Chinese are

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working on it or not aware of these you

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know technologies beyond our own when it

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comes to defense that the Chinese have

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interesting he asked of course is about

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a tip he said hey if you close a tip

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aren't you working into this anymore and

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if you close to them who's looking into

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it

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well according to Louise Elizondo a tip

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never dick close when he resigned he

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said that he had a successor he told me

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personally that this is a high-level

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person that took over for him and that

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the program continues although under

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another name because now that the name a

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tip is out there you know they want to

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have a level of security for the program

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so they've changed the name so these are

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a lot of interesting questions as

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yes and this letter was submitted July

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16th that's when it's dated there has

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not been any answer that we are aware of

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so this is a very interesting situation

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one other note on this is that MJ

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baniyas wrote a great article for Vice

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news which is cool that he's writing for

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them about UFOs and the gist of his

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article was that the Walker letter is

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definitely inspired by the work of to

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the Stars and Tom DeLonge and that you

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know the letter demonstrates that you

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know this they're paying attention to

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what to the stars are doing so that's a

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great article by MJ and Vice also you

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know for the people that are you know

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are conspiring or saying that it's a

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conspiracy that you know this whole to

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the stars and all that is you know just

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like you said smokescreen or whatever

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another CIA situation wouldn't they

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would just simply you know Walker would

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have never written that is what I'm

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getting at I would think that would be

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you know part of the case for saying

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that whatever they're doing is you know

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is substantiated because you know in a

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person in his level would never you know

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write something like that if this was

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you know indeed like a conspiracy to for

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you know high-tech objects or whatever

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do you understand where I'm going with

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this kind of I can't well the main

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conspiracy that yet although I think

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that that's what's tough about a lot of

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these UFO conspiracies is that the it's

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really impossible to work at the levels

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that these people think that like all

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these senators would be involved were

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these representatives and these media

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people would all be involved with some

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kind of major conspiracy I mean it's

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just these these organizations and

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corporations are so separate from each

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other and work so separately that that

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is unrealistic

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so however there's another story going

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on here that I think it's getting

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overlooked and you've got the perfect

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guest on tonight

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talk about a lot of this Joe UFO Joe's

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great so it'll be great to get his

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insight on this but we definitely are

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seeing pushback we are seeing the

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results of information getting out to

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the public that wasn't intended to get

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out Louise has faced a lot of opposition

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internal from all sides because he was

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sharing information that wasn't supposed

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hey we didn't know about this uh you

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know you need to tell us more which is

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exactly why they didn't want you know

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think it's along the lines of in order

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for us to keep secrets at least related

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we're not prepared to share information

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DoD has not been cooperative with Louise

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Elizondo and to the Stars they have

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denied much of what Louise Elizondo has

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said although they have pretty much in

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almost every instance had to say okay we

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were wrong and Elizondo was right in

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many instances they've had to do this so

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they obviously have not been too happy

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with Lou and his revelations nor have

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they been cooperating with it so if

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you're paying attention to really what's

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going on with all these various groups

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and organizations and with the media and

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everything you've got a lot of different

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players and you've got information that

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has entered kind of this arena that

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wasn't supposed to and not everybody's

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happy about it and I think it's a much

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interesting more interesting story when

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you look at you know all of these

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details you know is there do you think

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there's something like gray areas

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between what can be talked about and

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what's classified that he is you know

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skirting on the edge of as and that's

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why they're definitely that's a big a

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big issue lou has said he's got to be

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careful every word that he says he's

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scrutinized he feels that they are

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listening and

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if he does you know mention anything

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that is classified he'll get in trouble

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and they'll pounce all over that hmm he

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doesn't think he's gonna get a break so

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he's careful there which is kind of

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actually it makes it a dangerous

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situation for him to be out in the

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public

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some people might I think it's important

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to note Lou Elizondo is not the to the

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stars PR guy he's not to spokesman and

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that wasn't the intention he's a

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security guy for to the stars

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of course he's been kind of the lead

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investigator for the television show

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unidentified and it's worked out that

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way because everybody wants to hear from

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Lou he's the guy who worked on the

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Pentagon program so he's the one of

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course naturally that everybody's gonna

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want to hear from but it adds another

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dynamic I think people have to think of

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but there are also other levels there's

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classified information but there's also

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information that is not classified that

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Lou and/or the group are aware of but

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they also or at least Lou is not willing

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to share because it's not his

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information to share as he puts it that

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is information that was generated or is

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in the control of other agencies or

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departments and he feels that it's not

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you know he would be stepping on toes to

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release that information so he doesn't

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what's interesting is you know

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journalists especially George Knapp has

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been out there finding some of this

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material and getting it out there I

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think he's he says he's you know worked

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closely with people in Washington we

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know that he's visited read and I think

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Harry Reid's office has been helpful in

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helping him find some information so he

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has been able to leak some of this

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information that I think Lou was aware

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of but unwilling to you know get out

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there on his own because he doesn't want

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to he's still very loyal to his friends

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and his colleagues that are on the

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inside

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he's certainly loyal to the oath he took

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not to share anything classified so

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you're right there's lots of gray areas

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there's lots of he has to be very

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careful when it comes to all of them you

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know I know I know there's a lot to talk

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about and I'm kind of focusing on this

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but

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within someone in his position if they

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do share something classified is their

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pension and things you know how much

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trouble can they get in and does it

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depend on what they share I'm no expert

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on that but I'm from what I understand

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in front of what I you know looking at

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other cases that yes it depends on what

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you share the level of secrecy so for

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instance classified isn't as important a

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secret or top secret however you know

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someone some of these people even the

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stuff that was released to WikiLeaks was

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mostly on classified servers not a

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secret or top secret because a lot of

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diplomats have access to these databases

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that have classified information and

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that's exactly you know was tapped into

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with WikiLeaks so so there are different

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levels there's also different levels of

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how you obtain the information that's

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sort of the problem with some of the

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information that was obtained by the

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Russians essentially those methods were

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illegal even if they are human

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engineering and human engineering of

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course is something like calling up and

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saying hey I'm Martin Willis and I

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forgot my password can you give me my

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password so you know when I'm pretending

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to be you that's still illegal so yeah

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there there's a lot there are a lot of

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nuances when it comes to that but we've

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seen you know from leakers in the past

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they can't face you know getting in a

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lot of trouble I think they can they're

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risking their pension and of course jail

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time right okay well we ran out of time

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as far as talking about the UFO Congress

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so let's focus on that next week unless

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we get a huge like someone lands on the

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White House lawn or something let's say

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okay let's talk about that if you mean

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someone like it's catapulted over the

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fences and lands on the lawn that would

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be an interesting story to your leader

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type of thing yeah all right Alejandro

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thanks so much and I'll be talking to

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you next week

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all right talk to you later all right

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okay so our guest today Joe Maria and he

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is known as UFO Joe real interesting guy

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do hope that everyone runs and checks

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his blog out I'll have that in the show

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notes and he's been

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freelance camera operator for about 16

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years for seven seasons he was the

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director of photography for the History

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Channel's Pawn Stars he and I were

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talking a little bit about that that's

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pretty interesting and he has a really

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good background as far as all that goes

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and today he writes and edits of the UFO

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Joe dotnet blog with his focus on UFOs

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tts a Tom DeLonge a tip and all kinds of

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interesting personalities in the field

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and Joe welcome to the show

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Martin so great to be here so glad you

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invited me yes well we have a lot to

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talk about tonight and I'm sure you were

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listening in with Alejandro and I our

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conversation so we can you know go off

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as some of that as well

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but why don't you tell the audience this

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first time you've been on the show and

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why don't you if you would tell the

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audience a little bit about your

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background and you know what what made

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you get this crazy interest of UFOs not

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so crazy anymore but this interest of

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UFOs sure my first memory is of anything

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paranormal was going to the movies with

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my sisters and I'm neither one of them

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remember this but I went to see a movie

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The Legend of Boggy or boggy creek and

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it was a Bigfoot docudrama so because it

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was shot like a documentary but it was

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scripted so I saw that and the opening

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feature was a UFO documentaries I was

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young this is probably I was like 8 or 9

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and it definitely made an impression on

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me I mean I can remember scenes till

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this day and I've only seen that movie

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once so it made an impression and then

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after that I saw Close Encounters of the

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Third Kind which I think was 77 if I'm

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right yes around there mm-hmm loved it I

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mean I loved it I had the t-shirt but I

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didn't know there was a way to write

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follow up on that like read books on it

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I had no idea that was people that

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researched it so I kind of dropped it I

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kind of dropped it but along the way you

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know I watched remember the show Leonard

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Nimoy in search of oh yeah and one of my

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it shows it was great all that stuff so

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once again didn't realize that you

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actually can research or read about that

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and then it came up again in the mid 90s

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somebody I know said hey if a relative

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of mine is having experiences with this

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being and it's on the cover of the book

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communion you should read it so I bought

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it and I read it and I didn't know what

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it was about I started reading and it

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was like really scary stuff I'm like

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stuffs really scary these people are

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being abducted in the middle of the

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night so I'm like I don't want to read

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this I put it down and I'm like that

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night I woke up on the couch not being

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able to move oh my god here come the

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aliens I'm gonna get and I was like

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paralyzed which i think is some doctors

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called sleep paralysis other people say

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oh yeah the first stage of an

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out-of-body experience

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so whatever nothing happened and the

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next day I'm like you know I'm gonna

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take that as a sign to finish reading

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the book so I did I loved it I read

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transformation I read breakthrough and I

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just every metaphysical book I could get

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my hand on I just started reading and

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went down the rabbit hole and it was

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like and back then I had no filter so

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everything I read I believed I'm like I

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believe this believe it all and then as

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the years went on somebody I worked with

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down in Florida he would challenge me on

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a lot of the stuff I would bring up he's

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like you can't prove that you have no

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evidence for that and I was like I'd go

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home I'm like you know what he's right

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so I started becoming more skeptical you

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know putting a filter on a lot of things

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and that's that's basically how I

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developed how I am now but I kind of

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lost interest in UFO once I got heavy

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into the UFO stuff I lost interest

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because it was nothing happening knew so

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I cannot let it go I mean I stayed I

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would pay attention you know Phoenix

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lights and stuff like that but I wasn't

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looking at every UFO book and buying new

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books until I heard Tom DeLonge do an

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interview and I was like I didn't know

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this guy was into UFOs so I I listened

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to him and then I I signed up on his

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Facebook page and I'm like all right

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I'll pay attention and then one night I

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heard him say you know people need to

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listen to me because I have the real

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story and nobody else has the story that

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I have and I was like all right that's a

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red flag for me so I was like I'm not

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gonna pay attention and then WikiLeaks

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happened saw that he actually did have

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all these contacts within the government

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started paying attention again

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somebody told me that they had seen the

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two videos that we're about to be

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released this was probably October after

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Louella Elizondo first went public so I

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was excited about that and then finally

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December 16th 2017 changed everything

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and even though people today are saying

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nothing has changed I don't think

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they're paying attention if they don't

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think things have changed because that

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changed everything for me I'm back in it

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at passion as passionate as pot as ever

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and I know I mean you know it's media

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it's just a totally different ballgame

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now that's where I am and I started the

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blog or somewhere in that time period

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the last couple years I decided to start

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it up I did have my own newsletter

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around 99 2000 which I joke with

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Alejandro it was called open mind news

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newsletter yeah but I think all up with

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it I didn't stick with it yeah I just

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let go I'd let it go and then I started

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the blog a couple years ago uh-huh well

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it's a great blog and you know I really

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are just reading briefly through some of

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the stories they're very well done looks

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like you put a lot of effort and a lot

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of time into it a lot of thought and so

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as far as that goes yeah it it really is

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kind of funny you know the December 16th

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story kind of shook everything up

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changed everything but it was actually

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you know before that when the

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announcement was made of the same

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basically the same announcement was made

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I think in October of that 2017 as well

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through I watched the live stream there

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when to the stars did that you know

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release so basically everything was out

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but it's just when it hit the mainstream

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media the New York Times you know such a

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prestigious paper to publish something

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like that and that you know their stance

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before on UFOs was always rather

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negative so this was a big deal and I've

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never seen such a change myself I've

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said a number of times in the show I'm

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not so scared or so embarrassed to talk

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about the subject you know when it comes

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up like for instance you know around my

544
00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:08,940
profession I'm not so worried about it

545
00:22:15,380 --> 00:22:12,990
anymore yeah I I am I remember I watched

546
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:15,390
the October 16 I think was it was mid

547
00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:16,650
October

548
00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:18,360
watch it I was excited and then George

549
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:19,980
Knapp went on coast-to-coast

550
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,050
and he gave this opening that had me so

551
00:22:26,270 --> 00:22:24,720
excited and I transcribed it and I put

552
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:26,280
it on my Facebook page I'm like this is

553
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:28,170
a big deal guys everybody look forward

554
00:22:32,090 --> 00:22:30,330
to more coming out about this and I got

555
00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:32,100
some I got some feedback from people

556
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:33,720
because usually with the UFO stories

557
00:22:38,810 --> 00:22:36,810
even now most of my friends on Facebook

558
00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:38,820
will not respond to it though you mean

559
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:40,140
though a couple of them oh like and all

560
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:42,090
that's interesting but back then people

561
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:43,620
are you know interested to see what was

562
00:22:47,570 --> 00:22:45,210
gonna go what was gonna come from that

563
00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:47,580
and then yeah I'm the same way New York

564
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:47,940
Times

565
00:22:51,770 --> 00:22:50,010
you can't George Knapp is spoken about

566
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:51,780
it he could have broken the story but he

567
00:22:55,220 --> 00:22:53,850
was asked to step aside and let the New

568
00:22:58,100 --> 00:22:55,230
York Times do it and I understand that

569
00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:58,110
because I mean like you said how much

570
00:23:01,580 --> 00:22:59,460
more prestigious can you get than the

571
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:01,590
New York Times and it just that was it

572
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:03,330
open the door for a lot of us to talk

573
00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:05,490
about it and not worry about being

574
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:07,080
mocked and being made fun of not that I

575
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:09,210
really ever cared about that but it's

576
00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:11,490
it's nicer now when you say hey do you

577
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:13,020
did you see the New York Times article

578
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:15,090
on the Pentagon UFO program that was on

579
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,210
CNN Fox News MSNBC every other newspaper

580
00:23:22,910 --> 00:23:20,640
Politico and you know it's a lot easier

581
00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:22,920
now to have that as your backup that's

582
00:23:27,260 --> 00:23:24,750
right I remember shortly after I've

583
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:27,270
talked about it on on this show you know

584
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,010
right after it happened but just shortly

585
00:23:35,420 --> 00:23:31,440
after that article it was actually on my

586
00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:35,430
way to the UFO Congress and that that

587
00:23:44,180 --> 00:23:40,260
following February of 2018 and I was

588
00:23:45,530 --> 00:23:44,190
flying next to a guy that was not jump

589
00:23:48,140 --> 00:23:45,540
seating what did they call it he was the

590
00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:48,150
deadheading he was a American Airlines

591
00:23:54,620 --> 00:23:51,960
pilot and I I mentioned to him I asked

592
00:23:56,270 --> 00:23:54,630
him if he actually saw that article when

593
00:23:59,240 --> 00:23:56,280
it came out he said no but I'll tell you

594
00:24:01,520 --> 00:23:59,250
one thing UFOs are real yeah

595
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:01,530
and he told me about this green orb that

596
00:24:06,860 --> 00:24:04,530
followed him when he was in an f-18 for

597
00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:06,870
you know many many miles that followed

598
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,720
him and but anyway I couldn't I tried to

599
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:12,000
get him to come on even anonymously on

600
00:24:17,540 --> 00:24:15,570
my show but he refused to but it was yep

601
00:24:19,870 --> 00:24:17,550
so I mean you it's it's a real

602
00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:19,880
icebreaker you know that article

603
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:22,220
definitely and there are still people

604
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:25,170
you know we talked about still jealousy

605
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:26,730
out there and there are people out there

606
00:24:30,250 --> 00:24:29,220
today that say nothing is really you

607
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:30,260
know that the initial

608
00:24:35,470 --> 00:24:33,170
first of media was great but ever since

609
00:24:37,660 --> 00:24:35,480
then nothing really is new nothing has

610
00:24:39,550 --> 00:24:37,670
happened I'm like you're not paying

611
00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:39,560
attention we just had meet the Navy

612
00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:41,780
changed their policy about how pilots

613
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:43,750
can report UFO sightings we've had

614
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:46,130
congressman and Senator is talking about

615
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:48,290
being briefed about UFOs we've had the

616
00:24:52,060 --> 00:24:50,210
President of the United States being

617
00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:52,070
asked in the Oval Office by one of the

618
00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:53,510
top political reporters in the country

619
00:24:58,180 --> 00:24:56,510
about being briefed on UFOs yes there is

620
00:25:01,330 --> 00:24:58,190
there is been there has been new

621
00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:01,340
information since December 16th so I'm

622
00:25:04,180 --> 00:25:02,750
still excited I mean yeah we're going

623
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:04,190
through a little bit of a lull right now

624
00:25:07,630 --> 00:25:05,930
but that's fine because personally I got

625
00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:07,640
to tell you I cannot when things are

626
00:25:10,750 --> 00:25:09,080
going strong I can't keep up with

627
00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:10,760
everything it's impossible to keep up

628
00:25:14,020 --> 00:25:11,960
with all the information I'm like I'm

629
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:14,030
I'm in trouble I just can't can't write

630
00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:16,370
about all this stuff yeah well we are

631
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:20,180
ready to go into our first break so hang

632
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:22,280
in everyone we'll be right back right

633
00:25:32,830 --> 00:25:31,130
after these messages all right we're in

634
00:25:35,170 --> 00:25:32,840
the clear we've got three minutes in

635
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:35,180
this break got it thank you very much

636
00:25:41,860 --> 00:25:38,510
all right so we were kind of wrapping

637
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:41,870
that up more or less to move on on

638
00:25:46,990 --> 00:25:42,650
something else

639
00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:47,000
so on this break just ask you where did

640
00:25:53,620 --> 00:25:50,600
you actually live I live in Las Vegas

641
00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:53,630
I've been there I moved there started

642
00:25:57,580 --> 00:25:55,940
out in New York and then Florida for

643
00:26:00,820 --> 00:25:57,590
like ten years back to New York and then

644
00:26:02,380 --> 00:26:00,830
2005 moved out to LA and then 2009 a

645
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:02,390
friend of mine called me and said hey I

646
00:26:06,670 --> 00:26:04,730
got a got a new show about a pawn shop

647
00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:06,680
you want to come to Vegas uh-huh all

648
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,830
right

649
00:26:11,380 --> 00:26:09,200
I'll try it out so I was there for seven

650
00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:11,390
years and then now it's still still in

651
00:26:17,620 --> 00:26:14,630
Vegas working on other stuff well it's

652
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:17,630
reality and conventions Vegas is a good

653
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,510
market for television I bet and also uh

654
00:26:29,010 --> 00:26:23,360
a friend of mine who actually had her

655
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:29,020
own series on HGTV in the antiques world

656
00:26:33,850 --> 00:26:31,910
told me she came out of her hotel room

657
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:33,860
in Las Vegas and her and her husband

658
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:36,410
both watched a black triangle big black

659
00:26:43,030 --> 00:26:39,770
triangle like float right right past the

660
00:26:43,869 --> 00:26:43,040
city is really yeah so I guess there's

661
00:26:44,919 --> 00:26:43,879
some you

662
00:26:47,529 --> 00:26:44,929
faux sightings do you hear a lot about

663
00:26:49,209 --> 00:26:47,539
that there I don't I mean some of the

664
00:26:51,549 --> 00:26:49,219
stuff I've seen isn't like a nighttime

665
00:26:54,819 --> 00:26:51,559
high in the sky lights and like I really

666
00:26:56,859 --> 00:26:54,829
can't make out anything with that and me

667
00:26:58,719 --> 00:26:56,869
personally I've never seen anything I've

668
00:27:00,969 --> 00:26:58,729
never seen anything like that was really

669
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:00,979
you know that I would define as a UFO

670
00:27:05,979 --> 00:27:03,919
I've seen stuff hi kind of going fast

671
00:27:07,629 --> 00:27:05,989
but nothing that really said that is

672
00:27:09,579 --> 00:27:07,639
just you know that's amazing it's

673
00:27:11,379 --> 00:27:09,589
something I've never seen before there's

674
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,389
so many there's so much light pollution

675
00:27:16,269 --> 00:27:13,279
in Las Vegas it doesn't get any more

676
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:16,279
bright brighter than that as far as

677
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:18,609
light pollution goes yeah

678
00:27:23,969 --> 00:27:22,159
outside of the city for to see anything

679
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:23,979
like at night for the most part right

680
00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:27,289
yeah it's it's it's not a great sky I

681
00:27:32,709 --> 00:27:29,929
mean I live in Henderson which is like

682
00:27:34,479 --> 00:27:32,719
15 20 minutes southeast it's it's

683
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:34,489
basically Vegas but it's its own city

684
00:27:39,399 --> 00:27:37,129
and it's a little better but still yeah

685
00:27:42,129 --> 00:27:39,409
the strip it just destroys everything as

686
00:27:45,789 --> 00:27:42,139
far as night sky watching right right

687
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:45,799
and now I know is it now George Knapp

688
00:27:49,329 --> 00:27:47,329
does live out there right I mean isn't

689
00:27:53,199 --> 00:27:49,339
that where he's he's from George lip

690
00:27:55,719 --> 00:27:53,209
yeah George lives out there John

691
00:27:57,399 --> 00:27:55,729
Alexander lives there we got Bigelow we

692
00:27:59,859 --> 00:27:57,409
got Harry Reid so it's a nice little uh

693
00:28:02,409 --> 00:27:59,869
yeah you got some big names that live in

694
00:28:04,419 --> 00:28:02,419
Vegas in the UFO world right else that

695
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:04,429
I'm missing well we're going to talk

696
00:28:10,659 --> 00:28:06,769
about Harry Reid once we go back on on

697
00:28:13,629 --> 00:28:10,669
live I'd like to bring that up okay but

698
00:28:16,869 --> 00:28:13,639
yeah though no it's interesting the

699
00:28:19,629 --> 00:28:16,879
weather out there is so clear and you

700
00:28:22,029 --> 00:28:19,639
know beautiful all the time or most of

701
00:28:24,609 --> 00:28:22,039
the time out there so yeah if it wasn't

702
00:28:25,959 --> 00:28:24,619
for all the lights that probably a lot

703
00:28:27,999 --> 00:28:25,969
more sightings I don't know where it

704
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:28,009
rates in the states have you ever looked

705
00:28:34,329 --> 00:28:30,409
that up as far as sightings go I have

706
00:28:35,889 --> 00:28:34,339
not I don't know where it rights and I

707
00:28:38,709 --> 00:28:35,899
don't I have had friends who have had

708
00:28:40,899 --> 00:28:38,719
sightings in the city I mean you know

709
00:28:43,749 --> 00:28:40,909
near the casinos Wow

710
00:28:45,819 --> 00:28:43,759
so Tracy Letts excuse me I'm sorry race

711
00:28:46,299 --> 00:28:45,829
are we ready to go back on we're ready

712
00:28:49,329 --> 00:28:46,309
to go

713
00:28:50,939 --> 00:28:49,339
alright we're ready here Oh Joe you

714
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:50,949
ready I'm ready

715
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:54,049
are you ready I believe I'm ready yes

716
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:55,290
all right here we

717
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:01,140
a man in five four three two all right

718
00:29:08,420 --> 00:29:04,890
welcome back my guest tonight is UFO Joe

719
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,430
Joe Murguia Joe so we were pretty much

720
00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:11,520
wrapped up there at the break time but I

721
00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:13,350
do want to talk to you about I noticed

722
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:15,990
that you did a not an on-air interview

723
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:18,840
but you interviewed Harry Reid so how

724
00:29:24,170 --> 00:29:20,970
did that come about yeah that's an

725
00:29:25,910 --> 00:29:24,180
interesting story so I got an email I

726
00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:25,920
received an email from somebody one day

727
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:28,980
and that's and it was just asking hey we

728
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:31,050
need a camera operator in Las Vegas on

729
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:33,810
this day are you available Mike let me

730
00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:34,980
check yeah I'm available

731
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:37,740
okay it's um did not tell me any details

732
00:29:42,410 --> 00:29:39,240
of what it was about it was just a short

733
00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:42,420
shoot half a day shoot so alright so and

734
00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:43,860
they got back to me in a couple days it

735
00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:45,180
said it's it's with a local politician

736
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:47,390
I'm like great

737
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:49,740
no details once again who it was and

738
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:51,450
then the final email giving me

739
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:52,890
directions to the office it's like oh

740
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:55,290
it's with Senator Harry Reid I'm like oh

741
00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:56,340
really

742
00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:01,620
Oh perfect ask him about UFOs but it

743
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:03,240
wasn't the interview it wasn't even an

744
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:05,310
interview it was him just it was

745
00:30:10,550 --> 00:30:06,840
somebody he knew was getting an award

746
00:30:12,530 --> 00:30:10,560
and so he just had a you know say some

747
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:12,540
things about he knew this person and

748
00:30:16,790 --> 00:30:14,340
what it what his experiences were with

749
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:16,800
this person and it was like it took 15

750
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,440
minutes and when we were done I said is

751
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:21,960
it okay if we talk about the UFO program

752
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:24,090
and he was ill he was definitely a

753
00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:26,520
little hesitant but he said I go ahead

754
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:30,030
let's go so he shocked when you said

755
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:32,610
that or no no he wasn't shocked he

756
00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:36,240
wasn't shocked but I was nervous and I

757
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,190
could have done a lot better as far as

758
00:30:43,550 --> 00:30:41,520
an interview but he was he was you know

759
00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:43,560
he was just he you could tell he has a

760
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,140
passion for it I know what people have

761
00:30:50,210 --> 00:30:48,000
questioned you know it's just it's just

762
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:50,220
uh he was just giving money to Bigelow

763
00:30:53,150 --> 00:30:51,630
because he's friends with Bigelow so

764
00:30:55,460 --> 00:30:53,160
that's why the program came about and

765
00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:55,470
it's like no he has a real interest in

766
00:30:59,780 --> 00:30:57,510
George Knapp has detailed all the way

767
00:31:01,580 --> 00:30:59,790
back to the Bob Lazar days of when Reid

768
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:01,590
file you know first got interested in it

769
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:05,450
so um yeah it was nice he was great and

770
00:31:08,989 --> 00:31:08,580
he didn't shy away from any questions or

771
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:08,999
answer

772
00:31:13,699 --> 00:31:11,609
any questions and I was I really was I

773
00:31:16,369 --> 00:31:13,709
was lucky to get him to talk about that

774
00:31:18,409 --> 00:31:16,379
yeah and you can find that a transcript

775
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:18,419
of that interview right on your web page

776
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:22,529
it's yes it's on my web page and you

777
00:31:26,209 --> 00:31:24,299
know I felt afterwards I'm like you know

778
00:31:28,939 --> 00:31:26,219
I could have done such a better job at

779
00:31:31,999 --> 00:31:28,949
that interview so when he was on I think

780
00:31:35,089 --> 00:31:32,009
this K NP R which is the Vegas PBS

781
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:35,099
station not PBS Vegas Public Radio I

782
00:31:38,479 --> 00:31:37,049
said all right let me let me ask him

783
00:31:40,309 --> 00:31:38,489
some questions all because they would

784
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:40,319
take email questions for the guests and

785
00:31:45,019 --> 00:31:42,299
you can call in so I got them to read

786
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,029
one of my email questions and I got the

787
00:31:48,919 --> 00:31:46,799
call in so I'm like alright I made up a

788
00:31:50,239 --> 00:31:48,929
little a little bit for the questions I

789
00:31:54,169 --> 00:31:50,249
didn't get to ask him when I sat down

790
00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:54,179
with them yeah but I don't have you ever

791
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:57,059
got to hear that interview he did but I

792
00:32:00,799 --> 00:31:58,679
definitely want I want to get more into

793
00:32:02,719 --> 00:32:00,809
when Elizondo was on Tucker Carlson but

794
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:02,729
it was related to that I said to Reid I

795
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:05,849
said you know I read i quoted Louisa

796
00:32:10,129 --> 00:32:08,609
Elizondo saying Lewis Elizondo said he

797
00:32:12,259 --> 00:32:10,139
believes that our government has in

798
00:32:15,049 --> 00:32:12,269
their possession of piece of a flaw you

799
00:32:16,729 --> 00:32:15,059
know UFO he sort of did it he said it in

800
00:32:19,099 --> 00:32:16,739
a roundabout way if I remember right

801
00:32:20,659 --> 00:32:19,109
right I mean you know we can I mean I

802
00:32:22,459 --> 00:32:20,669
have the transcript of that we could I

803
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:22,469
can go through real quick but but Reid

804
00:32:27,619 --> 00:32:25,289
was like he said yeah I'm sorry I just

805
00:32:30,349 --> 00:32:27,629
don't believe that and who was it that

806
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:30,359
told you who said that and I have said

807
00:32:34,249 --> 00:32:32,609
it was Louisa Elizondo off the bat but

808
00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:34,259
they had cut my microdata already cut my

809
00:32:40,969 --> 00:32:38,099
call so I didn't get the spawn yeah I

810
00:32:43,339 --> 00:32:40,979
know it you had this was all

811
00:32:46,579 --> 00:32:43,349
off-the-cuff when you actually met him

812
00:32:49,159 --> 00:32:46,589
so you had no time to prepare good

813
00:32:51,199 --> 00:32:49,169
questions so I'm sure I had some times

814
00:32:53,059 --> 00:32:51,209
that's why I was that's why I was mad at

815
00:32:54,979 --> 00:32:53,069
myself because I was nervous and it was

816
00:32:56,479 --> 00:32:54,989
just like and I didn't want to push you

817
00:32:57,949 --> 00:32:56,489
know he had just recently had surgery so

818
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:57,959
I didn't know how much time we had you

819
00:33:03,979 --> 00:33:02,399
know so next lesson learned but uh but

820
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,989
you know this is what this is I don't

821
00:33:08,629 --> 00:33:05,279
want to ask you about this what do you

822
00:33:11,149 --> 00:33:08,639
think he said do you believe Carlson

823
00:33:13,219 --> 00:33:11,159
asked Elizondo D believes based on your

824
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:13,229
decade a decade of serving in the United

825
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,849
States government on on this question

826
00:33:18,739 --> 00:33:16,799
but the US government has in its

827
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:18,749
possession any material from one of

828
00:33:24,650 --> 00:33:22,320
these aircrafts and he says Oh

829
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:24,660
I do yes and then he says Carlson says

830
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:26,250
you think the US government has debris

831
00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:28,110
debris from a UFO in its possession

832
00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:30,270
right now he says unfortunately Tucker I

833
00:33:34,340 --> 00:33:32,280
really have to be careful of my NDA I

834
00:33:34,940 --> 00:33:34,350
really can't go into a lot more detail

835
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:34,950
than that

836
00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:37,500
so Carlson goes okay but then Elizondo

837
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:40,350
still answers he goes but simply put yes

838
00:33:45,410 --> 00:33:44,130
so it's it's almost like he you know if

839
00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:45,420
he's not allowed to talk about

840
00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:47,670
classified information what would you

841
00:33:51,770 --> 00:33:49,470
not consider that probably in the

842
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:51,780
classified realm I mean I would die I

843
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,990
would too but he had to have permission

844
00:33:58,910 --> 00:33:56,640
to talk about that because nobody was

845
00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:58,920
expecting that he had never spoken about

846
00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:01,320
that before that I know of and it's and

847
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:02,700
he look like he won't you know he could

848
00:34:05,890 --> 00:34:04,410
have just ended it he could have said in

849
00:34:08,540 --> 00:34:05,900
the past he said stuff like

850
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:08,550
unfortunately I can't answer that

851
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:09,720
question so we're just gonna have to

852
00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:11,310
pass he could have said that but he

853
00:34:17,419 --> 00:34:13,470
answered so to me that's interesting

854
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:17,429
yeah yeah and where did you know I was

855
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,530
talking earlier with Alejandro about

856
00:34:24,970 --> 00:34:22,080
this as far as the people that are just

857
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:24,980
plain saying that he's a diso disinfo

858
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,800
agent they would probably say well

859
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:30,240
that's all part of it is that did you

860
00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:30,780
hear that

861
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:34,919
any grumblings of that yeah yeah I have

862
00:34:41,540 --> 00:34:38,910
a little bit and I I kind of like I kind

863
00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:41,550
of yeah that would be an example of them

864
00:34:45,590 --> 00:34:44,070
being right or at least something in

865
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:45,600
that ballpark where I said yeah that

866
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:46,980
could be that makes sense because it's

867
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:48,570
so weird for him just talking about a

868
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:51,960
crashed saucer but then follow-up which

869
00:34:57,860 --> 00:34:55,020
was great Eric Davis is like an air cave

870
00:34:59,900 --> 00:34:57,870
was added Erik Davis said Tucker Carlson

871
00:35:02,720 --> 00:34:59,910
question about the USL US government is

872
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:02,730
in possession of recovered crashed and

873
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:06,720
landed UFO technology hardware is 1000%

874
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:09,240
accurate so it's like well he didn't

875
00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:11,490
Elizondo didn't talk about any landed

876
00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:13,350
you know technology but Erik Davis did

877
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:15,390
that works great like I work right off

878
00:35:18,830 --> 00:35:17,310
the cuff he so patched he's the most

879
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:18,840
passionate person on the subject he'll

880
00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:20,520
just yeah he'll do it blurt stuff out

881
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:22,230
and like all right great it's great that

882
00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:23,730
we have him that he's going to talk so

883
00:35:28,850 --> 00:35:25,740
much yeah and you've actually have you

884
00:35:31,820 --> 00:35:28,860
actually spoken with Erik we communicate

885
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:31,830
and we've talked a lot about Bob Lazar

886
00:35:36,020 --> 00:35:34,110
that's how I got my article I did on Bob

887
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:36,030
Lazar it started with

888
00:35:41,090 --> 00:35:38,520
me never going at it on George naps

889
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:41,100
Facebook page and that was kind of I was

890
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:43,830
defending I was defending the lazar

891
00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:46,290
documentary that Jeremy Korbel was

892
00:35:51,830 --> 00:35:49,400
working on and and Eric Davis was

893
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:51,840
criticizing and I'm like just let's wait

894
00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:53,820
before we criticize it let's see it he's

895
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:54,990
like I just don't think he's like I

896
00:35:59,420 --> 00:35:57,330
don't think it's worth a documentary so

897
00:36:02,420 --> 00:35:59,430
we battled back and forth and then I can

898
00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:02,430
then I privately contacted him and then

899
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:05,070
he shared some insights and that's one

900
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,420
of the Articles I'm gonna be working on

901
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:08,400
I've talked about on Twitter it's how

902
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:12,000
the Bob big Robert Bigelow Lazar they

903
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:13,680
had a company together I think was ADA

904
00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:16,350
Reticuli it was called and something

905
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:18,750
happened where it fell apart and I want

906
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:21,000
to tell that story via Erik Davis was

907
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:22,440
giving me permission to talk about it so

908
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:23,910
I'm gonna write about that and one of

909
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:25,890
the one aspect of why it fell apart it's

910
00:36:29,180 --> 00:36:27,570
I'm sure there were other problems but

911
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:29,190
Erik Davis had one specific thing that

912
00:36:32,570 --> 00:36:31,260
happened that turned off Bigelow and

913
00:36:33,830 --> 00:36:32,580
that was the end of the company so

914
00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:33,840
hopefully in the next week or so

915
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:35,700
I'll get that up on the blog can you

916
00:36:40,340 --> 00:36:38,880
give us any type of teaser on that it's

917
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:40,350
just it's just something that Lazar

918
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:43,530
claimed he could do and it turned out he

919
00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:47,370
couldn't and Bigelow has put a lot of

920
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:48,750
money into the whole thing and he was

921
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:50,940
disillusioned and I ever gave us has

922
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:54,300
talked about its it was it was close to

923
00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:56,970
uh it was close to a hundred thousand

924
00:37:01,370 --> 00:36:58,440
dollars maybe it's he's talked about it

925
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:01,380
on Twitter but it's a specific thing

926
00:37:08,180 --> 00:37:03,810
that was a material Lazar said he could

927
00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:08,190
manufacture manufacture and um he was

928
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:10,500
but it wasn't he wasn't manufacturing it

929
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:11,880
was other way there was other ways he

930
00:37:15,590 --> 00:37:13,740
was getting it so that's pretty close to

931
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:15,600
the store I'll leave a little tiny bit

932
00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:17,880
for the blog sure sure okay well I

933
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,700
appreciate that and so that'll be out in

934
00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:22,800
another week or two so if you're

935
00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:24,780
listening to the show down the line make

936
00:37:31,070 --> 00:37:26,790
sure you go over and check out Joe's

937
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:31,080
blog yeah I always get a lot of mail

938
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:33,750
when I talk about Bob Lazar because you

939
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:36,060
know the bottom line is uh you know I

940
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:40,650
don't I really don't buy the story and I

941
00:37:45,110 --> 00:37:42,060
know a lot of people don't want to hear

942
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:45,120
that but I'm just I just have never

943
00:37:49,609 --> 00:37:47,460
really bought that story and I feel like

944
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:49,619
it's I'm trying to be as we

945
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:53,249
go along here like like it feels like

946
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:55,490
there's more people trying to convince

947
00:38:00,440 --> 00:37:57,690
you know other people of that whole

948
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:00,450
situation but anyway it is what it is

949
00:38:04,309 --> 00:38:02,609
and I'm not going to get into detail

950
00:38:07,759 --> 00:38:04,319
because I I don't have time to read my

951
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:07,769
all the emails that come in no I know

952
00:38:12,499 --> 00:38:09,720
I'm same way and the only reason I

953
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:12,509
really never I never dug deep into the

954
00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:14,490
bizarre story until like probably like a

955
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:16,470
year ago I don't know why I just didn't

956
00:38:22,549 --> 00:38:18,569
buy it I'm like you know what George

957
00:38:24,349 --> 00:38:22,559
George Knapp is very you know he's he's

958
00:38:26,539 --> 00:38:24,359
one of the top guys as far as

959
00:38:28,819 --> 00:38:26,549
information about Lazar so I started

960
00:38:31,339 --> 00:38:28,829
watching videos on YouTube and then I

961
00:38:33,019 --> 00:38:31,349
was like okay I'm open-minded and then I

962
00:38:35,269 --> 00:38:33,029
was like alright there's something here

963
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:35,279
and then I wanted to see the premiere

964
00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:36,930
and a Los Angeles of Jerry Jeremy

965
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:38,670
corbels movie and I you know I liked the

966
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:41,970
movie and actually that night I was

967
00:38:46,009 --> 00:38:43,890
going to ask Allah czar about that

968
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:46,019
specific incident with Bigelow but they

969
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:47,099
didn't take questions from the audience

970
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:48,900
so I didn't get a chance

971
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:51,720
and right now I'm he's definitely in a

972
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:53,910
grey basket one big thing he has you

973
00:38:57,859 --> 00:38:55,049
know he's I don't know if you've ever

974
00:39:00,079 --> 00:38:57,869
read about his bankruptcy back then he

975
00:39:02,210 --> 00:39:00,089
had this trello healed so much money to

976
00:39:03,769 --> 00:39:02,220
so many people and I don't know it's

977
00:39:05,299 --> 00:39:03,779
like once again that does this because

978
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:05,309
she filed bankruptcy doesn't mean you're

979
00:39:07,999 --> 00:39:06,390
not telling the truth about something

980
00:39:08,989 --> 00:39:08,009
else and same thing with my story

981
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:08,999
doesn't mean he's not telling the truth

982
00:39:16,339 --> 00:39:14,339
about area 51 but another thing that was

983
00:39:18,499 --> 00:39:16,349
recent was Linda Linda Moulton Howe said

984
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:18,509
that she spoke to him around 89 right

985
00:39:24,529 --> 00:39:22,410
when he first came out and he told her

986
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:24,539
that this was a big issue for everybody

987
00:39:28,220 --> 00:39:26,700
I know people say well alright he lied

988
00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:28,230
about his school that doesn't mean he's

989
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,150
lying about everything else but he told

990
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:32,160
Linda Moulton Howe said that he told her

991
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:35,910
he never went to MIT he has friends that

992
00:39:40,309 --> 00:39:37,950
went to MIT and he just sat in on a few

993
00:39:42,739 --> 00:39:40,319
classes that's what they that's what he

994
00:39:44,650 --> 00:39:42,749
told her and he also told her I think he

995
00:39:46,940 --> 00:39:44,660
made they made him drink this liquid

996
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,950
that I don't have messed with his memory

997
00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:48,480
and I'm like all right is there anybody

998
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:50,700
else that Lazar told us sue and is yeah

999
00:39:55,249 --> 00:39:53,220
he did he told he told jock ball a that

1000
00:39:56,779 --> 00:39:55,259
in his book is there's a lot I don't I

1001
00:39:59,509 --> 00:39:56,789
think it's revelations the book and

1002
00:40:03,530 --> 00:39:59,519
there's more about Lazar in that book so

1003
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:03,540
well these are these are all things I've

1004
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:08,880
never heard so I guess you can say you

1005
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:11,190
know yeah I went to MIT because I can

1006
00:40:18,050 --> 00:40:12,900
say I went to MIT too because I went to

1007
00:40:18,740 --> 00:40:18,060
the museum there yeah anyway well that's

1008
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:18,750
interesting

1009
00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:21,780
so but I'll leave open the possibility I

1010
00:40:26,060 --> 00:40:24,780
know you know George Knapp and Jeremy

1011
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:26,070
Korbel they have more information about

1012
00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:27,810
the story they can't share so maybe you

1013
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:29,670
know they mean if that information comes

1014
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:31,050
out I'll change my mind but right now

1015
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:34,320
I'd say 60 40 against Lazar that's where

1016
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:34,560
I am

1017
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:37,440
Wow okay so we speak more or less the

1018
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:39,930
same language here that's yes on that

1019
00:40:48,859 --> 00:40:43,710
particular subject now I have talked

1020
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:48,869
about on this show just you know playing

1021
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:53,400
devil's advocate on Lou Lou Elizondo and

1022
00:41:01,700 --> 00:40:56,940
I did meet him he's a really nice

1023
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:01,710
personable guy but I also thought wow

1024
00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:03,450
that he would make he would make a

1025
00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:07,020
perfect disinformation agent but I'm not

1026
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:09,150
saying I don't want anyone to get angry

1027
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:11,160
at me or whatever I'm not saying that I

1028
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:15,359
think he is but it I almost feel as

1029
00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:17,010
though I have to have an open mind I

1030
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:19,020
mean this would be absolutely horrible

1031
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,750
if we've been led down this path once

1032
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:23,520
again but this time it would be ten

1033
00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:27,090
times you know what it ever had before

1034
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,359
like with Bill Moore and you know of

1035
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,359
that type of situation so but anyway

1036
00:41:38,570 --> 00:41:35,880
what are your your thoughts on that I

1037
00:41:43,609 --> 00:41:38,580
mean you feel really confident that he's

1038
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:43,619
100% legit I I do I mean I always leave

1039
00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:44,970
open the possibility of what you just

1040
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:47,940
said is you know a fact and like you

1041
00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:50,310
said it would be horrible before you

1042
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:51,960
follow gee if that was the case it would

1043
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,660
be so damaging yes he turned out if this

1044
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:56,400
all turned out to be disinformation for

1045
00:41:59,599 --> 00:41:57,780
whatever reason I know there's different

1046
00:42:01,310 --> 00:41:59,609
theories on why that would be the case

1047
00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:01,320
but I don't know if you followed you

1048
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,000
could recover from that you know I I

1049
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:05,040
haven't heard I tell people I haven't

1050
00:42:10,990 --> 00:42:08,490
heard Elizondo say anything that I would

1051
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:11,000
consider in a different disinformation

1052
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:13,950
campaign like he talks about there are

1053
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:15,660
objects that are interacting with our

1054
00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:17,820
military and also what's the

1055
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:19,830
they're doing making amazing maneuvers

1056
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:22,320
that sometimes defy gravity and we don't

1057
00:42:26,540 --> 00:42:23,910
know where they're from that's basically

1058
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,550
what he says that's what he said so him

1059
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:28,800
personally I don't see anything you know

1060
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:31,290
as far as disinfo now Tom DeLonge is

1061
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:32,820
another story Tom DeLonge will talk

1062
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:34,710
about everything under the Sun that

1063
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:36,780
we've all heard about over the years you

1064
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:38,850
know the UFOs and the occupants are

1065
00:42:44,180 --> 00:42:41,310
responsible for creating religions on

1066
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:44,190
this planet stuff like that and so uh

1067
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:46,680
and so long they've asked him you think

1068
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:48,090
maybe a lot of stuff you've been told

1069
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:49,800
maybe it's just not possibly it's not

1070
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:51,960
true and he's oh no no no no no this

1071
00:42:58,130 --> 00:42:54,660
guy's wouldn't do that so maybe along

1072
00:42:59,900 --> 00:42:58,140
those lines but so dude pardon me for

1073
00:43:02,360 --> 00:42:59,910
interrupting but no problem in a way do

1074
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:02,370
you think he's there he could be

1075
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:04,830
possibly used as the so-called Patsy

1076
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:08,400
type of it could be but it's a moat it's

1077
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:10,410
not necessarily a bad thing and I'll

1078
00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:13,710
explain kit Green keep green who was a

1079
00:43:19,340 --> 00:43:17,670
head of the CIA weird desk back in I

1080
00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:19,350
don't know what it what dates that was

1081
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:23,100
but he's um he's been quoted I don't

1082
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:24,060
know if it was the movie or the book

1083
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:25,800
there's a book Mirage man enough you've

1084
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:30,090
seen oh yes and a movie yeah and I'm not

1085
00:43:34,310 --> 00:43:31,770
sure if this is from either or both but

1086
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,320
the quote from Kate Green is if you were

1087
00:43:39,020 --> 00:43:36,240
to give them the core story right off

1088
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:39,030
the bat they'd get sick so you do it

1089
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:42,240
slowly over 10 to 20 10 or 20 years you

1090
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:43,710
put out a bunch of movies a bunch of

1091
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:45,420
books a bunch of stories a bunch of

1092
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:47,610
internet memes about reptilian aliens

1093
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:50,310
eating our children about all the crazy

1094
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,290
stuff that we've seen recently in serpo

1095
00:43:57,590 --> 00:43:54,960
then one day you say hey all that stuff

1096
00:43:59,720 --> 00:43:57,600
is non-sex really nonsense relax it's

1097
00:44:01,970 --> 00:43:59,730
not that bad you don't have to worry the

1098
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:01,980
reality is this and then you give them

1099
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:03,750
the real story so it's almost like is

1100
00:44:06,350 --> 00:44:04,740
that what they're doing with the long

1101
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:06,360
they're giving them crazy stuff and then

1102
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:07,650
when the real story comes out it's

1103
00:44:11,810 --> 00:44:10,290
basically just hey there's various

1104
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:11,820
groups of extraterrestrials if that's

1105
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:13,710
what they are visiting the planet so you

1106
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:15,510
guys can relax they're not here to eat

1107
00:44:19,460 --> 00:44:17,490
us they're not here to suck our energy

1108
00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:19,470
they're not here to steal our souls so

1109
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,390
is that is that is that what's going on

1110
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,280
with the long I have no idea I just I

1111
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:25,740
just when I hear him say stuff I always

1112
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:28,380
remain skeptical I said just just give

1113
00:44:31,340 --> 00:44:30,900
some evidence a lisanna on the other

1114
00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:31,350
hand

1115
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,150
nothing he has said so far has raised

1116
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:35,760
any red flags for me okay what about

1117
00:44:43,310 --> 00:44:39,450
I've heard of the talk that there's a

1118
00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:43,320
theory that there's some evil some

1119
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:47,790
something evil in regards to the UFOs by

1120
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:50,940
some kind of higher-ups have you heard

1121
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:54,330
about anything Oh what's the same with

1122
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:56,040
remote viewing remote viewing there were

1123
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:57,720
people in the government that thought it

1124
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:00,960
was the work of the devil and that was

1125
00:45:03,740 --> 00:45:02,310
part of the reason why the program was

1126
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:03,750
canceled and that's the same thing with

1127
00:45:08,660 --> 00:45:06,330
when all SAP started there were senators

1128
00:45:09,980 --> 00:45:08,670
and you know they're known as that

1129
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:09,990
columns elite I don't know if there's an

1130
00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:11,640
official group but yeah they think if

1131
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:13,950
you open that door you're letting the

1132
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:16,290
you letting the devil into our world so

1133
00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:18,300
is that the case I mean you gotta

1134
00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:20,430
consider all possibilities but it seems

1135
00:45:25,820 --> 00:45:22,470
like that's where that originates from

1136
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:25,830
Annie huh huh well Elizondo covered that

1137
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:27,900
a little bit you know where he was

1138
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:30,420
unidentified to show on History Channel

1139
00:45:36,110 --> 00:45:33,690
and and one of the remote viewers I

1140
00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:36,120
remember it was a quote it was a dirt I

1141
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:39,990
spies with Russell Targ it was a remote

1142
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:42,960
viewing documentary and he's one of the

1143
00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:45,540
remote viewers Romek monocle said one

1144
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:47,670
senator or congressman said you're doing

1145
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:49,170
the work of the devil and one said

1146
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:51,090
you're doing the work of God so it's

1147
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:55,920
fine so I don't you know it's tall

1148
00:46:03,050 --> 00:45:58,440
stories can't prove any of that stuff

1149
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:03,060
right how you know we're talking about

1150
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:06,510
Tom DeLonge earlier and it's you know

1151
00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:08,460
it's pretty evident that he was able to

1152
00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:11,700
get so far and I think you know some of

1153
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:15,630
the people in the UFO world have a bit

1154
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:17,850
of jealousy about that but some people

1155
00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:20,250
like myself are just curious how the

1156
00:46:27,130 --> 00:46:24,270
heck did he get as far as he did in Kent

1157
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,140
can celebrity do that celebrity alone

1158
00:46:32,090 --> 00:46:30,240
what do you think about that yeah I mean

1159
00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:32,100
celebrity with the people who we talked

1160
00:46:36,380 --> 00:46:33,780
to their kids having an interest in

1161
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:36,390
blink-182 that's kind of how he

1162
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:37,980
explained it what some of the people he

1163
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:40,560
met like Jim some events that he had

1164
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,930
never heard of Tom DeLonge but I don't I

1165
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:44,880
don't know I mean maybe maybe they were

1166
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:47,400
people ready to get the story out for

1167
00:46:51,380 --> 00:46:48,900
whatever reason you know there's been

1168
00:46:53,029 --> 00:46:51,390
speculation though the environment is

1169
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:53,039
about to collapse we need to do

1170
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:54,839
something so this is part of that and we

1171
00:46:58,549 --> 00:46:56,460
know we need to get new energy systems

1172
00:46:59,930 --> 00:46:58,559
up you know technology and maybe they

1173
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:59,940
were ready and he came along at the

1174
00:47:04,999 --> 00:47:02,640
right time you know I I don't know I

1175
00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:05,009
don't know is he being used I know a lot

1176
00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:06,599
of people say his story just doesn't

1177
00:47:10,219 --> 00:47:07,859
make sense you know what you know he got

1178
00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:10,229
invited to a barbecue at Lockheed Martin

1179
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,390
you know come on but who knows like you

1180
00:47:17,180 --> 00:47:14,640
said maybe celebrity is rock star had

1181
00:47:19,279 --> 00:47:17,190
the access he he had the you know I know

1182
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,289
a lot of people think he gets fooled by

1183
00:47:23,420 --> 00:47:21,359
fake video that he was when he was on

1184
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:23,430
Joe Rogan some of the stuff he talked

1185
00:47:28,579 --> 00:47:25,410
about yeah this someone just put that in

1186
00:47:31,450 --> 00:47:28,589
the chat room just a minute ago yeah so

1187
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:31,460
I don't know he's I know he started off

1188
00:47:35,509 --> 00:47:33,690
working with Steven Greer at least

1189
00:47:39,859 --> 00:47:35,519
hanging out with Steven Greer back then

1190
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:39,869
and broke away smart move oh yeah but

1191
00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:41,220
you know he's passion it's hard it's

1192
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:42,630
hard to deny his passion he's so

1193
00:47:46,819 --> 00:47:44,220
passionate about it and he had the money

1194
00:47:48,859 --> 00:47:46,829
to fund himself doing his documentary

1195
00:47:50,749 --> 00:47:48,869
and he just made the right contacts

1196
00:47:53,299 --> 00:47:50,759
well III yeah you and I wouldn't be able

1197
00:47:54,499 --> 00:47:53,309
to do that but maybe I'll assume you

1198
00:47:56,420 --> 00:47:54,509
know since I don't know anything else

1199
00:47:57,620 --> 00:47:56,430
his celebrity was what got him in the

1200
00:47:59,569 --> 00:47:57,630
door and it just snowballed from there

1201
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,579
he did an interview recently where he

1202
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,920
told people that he was talking to other

1203
00:48:06,049 --> 00:48:03,839
people within the intelligence community

1204
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:06,059
but he really wasn't he had just met

1205
00:48:09,529 --> 00:48:07,440
them and shook their hands he was kind

1206
00:48:11,329 --> 00:48:09,539
of he was kind of pumping that up and

1207
00:48:12,709 --> 00:48:11,339
the other people say oh really you met

1208
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,719
them and you're talking to them so they

1209
00:48:15,979 --> 00:48:14,400
said alright I guess he's legit we can

1210
00:48:17,509 --> 00:48:15,989
talk to him but he has he hadn't been

1211
00:48:19,969 --> 00:48:17,519
talking to them was just like I was just

1212
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:19,979
a little greeting so you know he played

1213
00:48:23,959 --> 00:48:21,390
the game a little bit and it worked so

1214
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:23,969
I'm happy so far I haven't seen anything

1215
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:27,210
negative I mean I'm open-minded I'm you

1216
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:28,200
know I'm willing to look at the other

1217
00:48:34,579 --> 00:48:32,729
side so far I haven't seen put a

1218
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,589
negative spin on TTS a I know people

1219
00:48:39,049 --> 00:48:36,960
that's a money-making scheme it's that's

1220
00:48:41,959 --> 00:48:39,059
what I hear I think I hear that more

1221
00:48:46,969 --> 00:48:41,969
than anything else I would say that that

1222
00:48:48,529 --> 00:48:46,979
part of it you know I mean it is you

1223
00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:48,539
know I've had explained to me that it's

1224
00:48:55,219 --> 00:48:50,940
just a way to fund you know what they're

1225
00:48:57,380 --> 00:48:55,229
doing you know and nothing more and I

1226
00:48:58,759 --> 00:48:57,390
don't think it's I mean Tom certainly

1227
00:49:01,019 --> 00:48:58,769
doesn't need the money and I real

1228
00:49:06,059 --> 00:49:01,029
frankly think that most of the people

1229
00:49:08,059 --> 00:49:06,069
involved in the whole tts a not one of

1230
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:08,069
them in there especially mr. melon

1231
00:49:13,170 --> 00:49:11,680
definitely melon need any money so I

1232
00:49:15,749 --> 00:49:13,180
don't think it's anything about making

1233
00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:15,759
money but I do think it's a little bit

1234
00:49:21,539 --> 00:49:19,000
polluted when you know the everything's

1235
00:49:24,029 --> 00:49:21,549
mixed in together I think you know maybe

1236
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:24,039
it is a way to raise money but you know

1237
00:49:28,380 --> 00:49:26,410
I mean the commercializing of it and

1238
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:28,390
stuff like that is it kind of to me

1239
00:49:31,859 --> 00:49:30,250
takes away a little bit from it right

1240
00:49:34,140 --> 00:49:31,869
yeah a lot of people don't like it

1241
00:49:35,819 --> 00:49:34,150
they're doing that a lot of and I had

1242
00:49:38,609 --> 00:49:35,829
some I had the issues with I know I'm

1243
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:38,619
not gonna be totally 100% if I don't if

1244
00:49:41,370 --> 00:49:40,450
I don't agree with something you know on

1245
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:41,380
teeth when they did

1246
00:49:46,220 --> 00:49:42,970
unidentified the last I think was the

1247
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:46,230
last episode where they did the Italian

1248
00:49:51,749 --> 00:49:48,910
UFO it was yeah yeah the last one in

1249
00:49:54,089 --> 00:49:51,759
that case I'm like I just wasn't really

1250
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:54,099
impressed with that UFO helicopter case

1251
00:49:57,870 --> 00:49:55,930
you know maybe there's more data that

1252
00:49:59,940 --> 00:49:57,880
they have that we haven't seen that's

1253
00:50:01,710 --> 00:49:59,950
that's what convinced them but for me it

1254
00:50:03,299 --> 00:50:01,720
was like I didn't like I didn't like

1255
00:50:06,930 --> 00:50:03,309
that as a good way to end the series

1256
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:06,940
that the Harry Reid quote was for me

1257
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,369
that was great that was that was the

1258
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:11,680
highlight the highlight of the series

1259
00:50:18,299 --> 00:50:16,329
for me they talked about can you I can't

1260
00:50:21,150 --> 00:50:18,309
recall exactly what that was can you can

1261
00:50:23,279 --> 00:50:21,160
you explain what he said I can if I

1262
00:50:26,460 --> 00:50:23,289
could find the quote which I had it

1263
00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:26,470
queued up he was asked he was asked

1264
00:50:33,059 --> 00:50:29,470
about Bob Bigelow he said a melon was

1265
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:33,069
interviewing him and melon said you know

1266
00:50:38,059 --> 00:50:35,710
Bob Bigelow recently said that he

1267
00:50:40,859 --> 00:50:38,069
believes there are aliens on this planet

1268
00:50:43,319 --> 00:50:40,869
I'm not don't quote me exactly but he

1269
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:43,329
melons talking to read he says do you

1270
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:44,650
believe the same thing that there are

1271
00:50:50,099 --> 00:50:47,400
aliens on this planet and Reid says if

1272
00:50:53,249 --> 00:50:50,109
he goes it would be bad for my

1273
00:50:55,259 --> 00:50:53,259
credibility in Congress if I talked

1274
00:50:57,690 --> 00:50:55,269
about everything I knew and when I heard

1275
00:50:59,880 --> 00:50:57,700
that I'm like what if like what do you

1276
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,890
know what you know it's like what do you

1277
00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:01,599
know that you're talking you know with

1278
00:51:05,279 --> 00:51:03,640
that quote what that follow-up so that

1279
00:51:07,259 --> 00:51:05,289
was I really want to know what Harry

1280
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:07,269
Reid knows and all the Annalee he's

1281
00:51:10,529 --> 00:51:09,490
gonna tell us but so that that was

1282
00:51:12,359 --> 00:51:10,539
really interesting to me and it was like

1283
00:51:13,890 --> 00:51:12,369
the last episode

1284
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:13,900
all right that's a great quote at least

1285
00:51:17,489 --> 00:51:15,249
we have that I wasn't I wasn't happy

1286
00:51:18,930 --> 00:51:17,499
with the Italian UFO thing but read

1287
00:51:22,259 --> 00:51:18,940
saved a day on that on that episode

1288
00:51:23,759 --> 00:51:22,269
right let's for the person that didn't

1289
00:51:26,910 --> 00:51:23,769
get a chance to watch that and won't

1290
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,920
watch it actually unidentified it was

1291
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:29,440
actually the Italian they were sitting

1292
00:51:33,539 --> 00:51:31,210
they were in Italy and they were talking

1293
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,549
with I can't remember what officials

1294
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:35,200
that they were in this one guy that

1295
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:38,650
actually spoke very good English but it

1296
00:51:44,099 --> 00:51:40,569
was basically didn't the helicopter

1297
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:44,109
shoot the I mean did the UFO shoot the

1298
00:51:49,289 --> 00:51:46,329
helicopter or something zapped it or was

1299
00:51:52,140 --> 00:51:49,299
it allegedly it was shot by a beam may

1300
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:52,150
be electromagnetic ray or beam and they

1301
00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:53,710
had a damage to the road or the

1302
00:52:00,749 --> 00:51:55,480
helicopter went down that's right yeah

1303
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:00,759
yeah and the helicopter went down but it

1304
00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:02,529
wasn't you know people didn't die it

1305
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:04,180
just it just had to make a landing huh

1306
00:52:10,859 --> 00:52:07,630
an emergency landing and the quote I do

1307
00:52:13,529 --> 00:52:10,869
have the exact quote from from read but

1308
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:13,539
yeah so basically that was their their

1309
00:52:18,509 --> 00:52:16,329
big information they gave to T TSA and

1310
00:52:21,029 --> 00:52:18,519
there was a little scene there where the

1311
00:52:23,549 --> 00:52:21,039
Italian guys like will give you

1312
00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:23,559
information if you give us that's how it

1313
00:52:27,630 --> 00:52:25,720
is that's right that's right I you know

1314
00:52:29,819 --> 00:52:27,640
I can't say for sure but it's like it

1315
00:52:31,859 --> 00:52:29,829
seems so it seems a little set up to me

1316
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:31,869
because I've worked in or you know I've

1317
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:33,609
been on a lot of shows in that

1318
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:36,249
particular spot looks set up it seemed

1319
00:52:41,970 --> 00:52:38,170
like you know I don't know that's just

1320
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:41,980
my opinion but they were all there was

1321
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:43,119
all the things in that episode they

1322
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:46,450
showed some of the new people who work

1323
00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:48,249
on the current version of a tip which we

1324
00:52:50,910 --> 00:52:49,509
don't know the name of it you know they

1325
00:52:53,309 --> 00:52:50,920
were you know their faces were blacked

1326
00:52:54,509 --> 00:52:53,319
out and and I know people will say well

1327
00:52:56,970 --> 00:52:54,519
we don't know if they're really working

1328
00:52:58,229 --> 00:52:56,980
a tip you know elizondo's they history

1329
00:53:00,269 --> 00:52:58,239
can be pulling our leg and like I

1330
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,279
personally don't think Elizondo would

1331
00:53:03,690 --> 00:53:02,079
make up people and say they're in the

1332
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:03,700
program and then you know put him on the

1333
00:53:07,950 --> 00:53:06,130
show that was another thing ya know that

1334
00:53:09,539 --> 00:53:07,960
program still going on now he's he's

1335
00:53:12,450 --> 00:53:09,549
spoken about that right

1336
00:53:14,819 --> 00:53:12,460
well I overall I really liked the series

1337
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:14,829
unidentified myself me too

1338
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:16,930
I thought I did very well done all right

1339
00:53:21,569 --> 00:53:19,599
we are at the break so we're gonna be

1340
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:21,579
going into break right now my guest

1341
00:53:28,109 --> 00:53:26,170
tonight is Joe murkier and murkier I'm

1342
00:53:32,370 --> 00:53:28,119
sorry and we'll be right back right

1343
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:32,380
after these messages back my guest is

1344
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:36,640
Joe Murcia and we are UFO Joe otherwise

1345
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:40,839
known as or also known as and make sure

1346
00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:44,640
you check out his website UFO Joe net

1347
00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:47,950
also yeah when he gets done that story

1348
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:50,920
he was talking about Bob Lazar there's

1349
00:53:54,269 --> 00:53:52,329
going to be quite a bit revealed I

1350
00:53:57,479 --> 00:53:54,279
talked to him a little bit offline about

1351
00:53:58,229 --> 00:53:57,489
that and I think it's really worth

1352
00:54:01,470 --> 00:53:58,239
checking out

1353
00:54:04,799 --> 00:54:01,480
so Joe welcome back Thank You Martin

1354
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:04,809
glad to be here so let's we working we

1355
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:07,690
were basically speaking on you know you

1356
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:10,480
know what some people are considering

1357
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:14,559
the legitimacy or the legitimacy of to

1358
00:54:22,529 --> 00:54:18,130
the stars and and all that and LU

1359
00:54:25,979 --> 00:54:22,539
Elizondo so you want to continue down

1360
00:54:28,380 --> 00:54:25,989
that that line and yes what what are

1361
00:54:31,019 --> 00:54:28,390
people saying out there people are

1362
00:54:33,479 --> 00:54:31,029
saying that you know if you look at all

1363
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:33,489
the people in t TSA they all have either

1364
00:54:38,220 --> 00:54:35,890
a CIA background or Department of

1365
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:38,230
Defense background yeah and basically

1366
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:40,089
it's a front for the CIA

1367
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:43,170
it's a disinformation front company and

1368
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,390
if the long finally steps down he's

1369
00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:48,160
listed as a he's been listed as an

1370
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:50,230
interim CEO from I think it was from the

1371
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:52,210
beginning so eventually he's gonna step

1372
00:54:57,150 --> 00:54:54,249
down probably focus more on Angels and

1373
00:54:59,099 --> 00:54:57,160
Airwaves his band and somebody people

1374
00:55:01,680 --> 00:54:59,109
are saying you know if Jim semi van

1375
00:55:03,809 --> 00:55:01,690
takes over then basically season two of

1376
00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:03,819
unidentified is going to be a CIA

1377
00:55:08,670 --> 00:55:07,180
produced show and you know it's like but

1378
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:08,680
they don't even mention the fact that

1379
00:55:14,759 --> 00:55:11,730
you know semi van wrote the foreword to

1380
00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:14,769
secret mystique machines chasing shadows

1381
00:55:19,229 --> 00:55:16,630
and I'm not gonna read the whole thing

1382
00:55:21,509 --> 00:55:19,239
but this is a little quote he he had an

1383
00:55:23,460 --> 00:55:21,519
experience 30 years ago him and his wife

1384
00:55:28,049 --> 00:55:23,470
had an experience he is not spoken about

1385
00:55:30,089 --> 00:55:28,059
it but he it talks about the quote the

1386
00:55:33,509 --> 00:55:30,099
court I want to read is it says he says

1387
00:55:36,299 --> 00:55:33,519
the phenomenon phenomenon seems to work

1388
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,309
on another level consciousness comma

1389
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,040
dimensions question mark unknown to our

1390
00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:41,920
science a friends a friend once remarked

1391
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:44,830
to me that perhaps the phenomenon seems

1392
00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:47,650
to exist at the Nexus of quantum

1393
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:50,260
mechanics and consciousness if that is

1394
00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:51,970
so and I personally believe this may be

1395
00:55:56,940 --> 00:55:54,580
a viable way forward then our science

1396
00:55:58,890 --> 00:55:56,950
needs to expand its horizons to include

1397
00:56:01,680 --> 00:55:58,900
things beyond the quantifiable and

1398
00:56:03,930 --> 00:56:01,690
replicable so it's like those are his

1399
00:56:06,060 --> 00:56:03,940
thoughts unless you're gonna say he's

1400
00:56:08,010 --> 00:56:06,070
making the entire story up him and his

1401
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:08,020
wife didn't have an experience it's just

1402
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:10,450
part of the front this is a guy you know

1403
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:12,760
if he did take over TT si he's had an

1404
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:13,900
experience he's talking about

1405
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:15,790
consciousness I would not mind him being

1406
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:18,880
at the helm of TT si I know people have

1407
00:56:22,350 --> 00:56:20,410
a problem with you know he was with the

1408
00:56:24,210 --> 00:56:22,360
CIA but there are good people that work

1409
00:56:25,620 --> 00:56:24,220
in those you know with the CA peep

1410
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:25,630
they're great people who work in the DoD

1411
00:56:30,660 --> 00:56:28,660
and I'm a lot of those people maybe a

1412
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:30,670
lot of the people who work for T TSA had

1413
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:32,470
their own experience they experiences

1414
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:34,090
and they also have access to information

1415
00:56:37,830 --> 00:56:36,250
we don't have that maybe it's so

1416
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:37,840
overwhelming that it's obviously

1417
00:56:41,550 --> 00:56:39,850
something going on and if they felt you

1418
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:41,560
know they wanted to be a part of that

1419
00:56:45,330 --> 00:56:43,210
and maybe that's why they're with them

1420
00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:45,340
so I don't necessarily I'll leave open

1421
00:56:48,330 --> 00:56:46,630
the possibility that there are some

1422
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:48,340
nefarious things going on maybe I

1423
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,290
haven't seen it yet but I know a lot of

1424
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:52,720
people believe that but right now I mean

1425
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:54,730
I support them you know they've made

1426
00:56:59,820 --> 00:56:56,770
mistakes along the way the mylar balloon

1427
00:57:03,060 --> 00:56:59,830
the the picture that Elizondo used that

1428
00:57:05,940 --> 00:57:03,070
is Italian lecture about the it was a it

1429
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:05,950
wasn't a picture it was a it was an

1430
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:08,650
illustration of the 1952 Oh sightings

1431
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:10,330
over Washington and then recently oh

1432
00:57:14,310 --> 00:57:12,850
yeah they did a post about an article

1433
00:57:17,010 --> 00:57:14,320
about their metamaterials and they

1434
00:57:19,470 --> 00:57:17,020
showed it was a it was a stock photo of

1435
00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:19,480
malachite so you know somebody screwed

1436
00:57:24,510 --> 00:57:21,540
up but it's like those three mistakes

1437
00:57:26,250 --> 00:57:24,520
I'm not gonna you know after after what

1438
00:57:27,660 --> 00:57:26,260
has happened since then the ability with

1439
00:57:29,370 --> 00:57:27,670
all the media all everything that we've

1440
00:57:31,590 --> 00:57:29,380
spoken about the ability to talk about

1441
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,600
this subject more freely I'm not gonna

1442
00:57:35,550 --> 00:57:33,280
I'm not gonna crucify him for that

1443
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:35,560
they've made mistakes but you know I

1444
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:38,710
just I don't want to be negative for

1445
00:57:44,580 --> 00:57:41,050
without evidence for me that's me

1446
00:57:46,310 --> 00:57:44,590
personally I know I contacted to the one

1447
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:46,320
of the articles in The New York Times

1448
00:57:53,009 --> 00:57:51,210
that was a while ago I contacted Leslie

1449
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:53,019
Kane right away in a

1450
00:57:58,620 --> 00:57:56,049
says Leslie are you aware that the the

1451
00:58:01,019 --> 00:57:58,630
photo that's up on the New York Times

1452
00:58:04,289 --> 00:58:01,029
article is actually taken through a cafe

1453
00:58:08,370 --> 00:58:04,299
window and it's actually reflections of

1454
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:08,380
the hanging Lant lights on the window

1455
00:58:12,509 --> 00:58:10,689
itself it's not a UFO it's a very famous

1456
00:58:16,649 --> 00:58:12,519
picture I can't remember the exact it

1457
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:16,659
was in the 1950s I do believe and that

1458
00:58:21,630 --> 00:58:19,839
picture stayed up you know online I was

1459
00:58:24,539 --> 00:58:21,640
kind of surprised that wasn't taken down

1460
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:24,549
because I think it's very important you

1461
00:58:28,289 --> 00:58:26,169
know little details like that everyone's

1462
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:28,299
gonna jump on it you know just like what

1463
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:31,599
you're mentioning right and I was hoping

1464
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:33,369
they would and they other people I've

1465
00:58:37,909 --> 00:58:34,689
mentioned this I'm not the first to say

1466
00:58:39,989 --> 00:58:37,919
this but they should hire quality

1467
00:58:41,729 --> 00:58:39,999
affordable

1468
00:58:43,739 --> 00:58:41,739
you know double-check things before you

1469
00:58:46,739 --> 00:58:43,749
post it online I mean because I know

1470
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,749
Elizondo has said he really never read

1471
00:58:50,399 --> 00:58:48,640
about this subject while he was part of

1472
00:58:51,929 --> 00:58:50,409
the eighth stick because he didn't want

1473
00:58:54,149 --> 00:58:51,939
to pollute his thoughts on here on

1474
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:54,159
undergoing fresh so I mean that could

1475
00:58:57,479 --> 00:58:55,569
explain some of that you know of course

1476
00:58:59,609 --> 00:58:57,489
some people say that all he's lying he's

1477
00:59:01,379 --> 00:58:59,619
lying about that but you know yeah

1478
00:59:02,909 --> 00:59:01,389
somebody that just double-check stuff

1479
00:59:05,309 --> 00:59:02,919
before you post it online why they would

1480
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:05,319
put a stock photo of malachite when

1481
00:59:10,169 --> 00:59:06,729
they're talking about metamaterials I

1482
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:10,179
have no idea I heard their metamaterials

1483
00:59:13,949 --> 00:59:12,609
Studies on hold for funding so they're

1484
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:13,959
waiting I know they're trying to rate

1485
00:59:17,879 --> 00:59:16,569
for money with another they're making

1486
00:59:19,709 --> 00:59:17,889
more stock available and that's gonna

1487
00:59:22,999 --> 00:59:19,719
happen soon I think you can invest now

1488
00:59:25,259 --> 00:59:23,009
in the second row all right Eve money

1489
00:59:27,449 --> 00:59:25,269
they're not gonna go selling up t-shirts

1490
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:27,459
and mugs the cover you know the cost of

1491
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:32,319
getting that stuff you know animal yeah

1492
00:59:35,849 --> 00:59:34,089
we're have just a little bit of a Skype

1493
00:59:40,229 --> 00:59:35,859
issue there I don't know if anything can

1494
00:59:42,359 --> 00:59:40,239
be corrected but we'll just keep moving

1495
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:42,369
on if I have to call you back I will but

1496
00:59:48,059 --> 00:59:46,209
how's it now it seems to be going fading

1497
00:59:51,749 --> 00:59:48,069
in a a little bit in and out of just a

1498
00:59:53,879 --> 00:59:51,759
little bit but we'll we'll keep moving

1499
00:59:56,669 --> 00:59:53,889
on here I you know I don't think that

1500
00:59:59,999 --> 00:59:56,679
people realize how expensive the

1501
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:00,009
analysis of something like this can cost

1502
01:00:04,889 --> 01:00:02,609
I've heard numbers thrown around before

1503
01:00:06,809 --> 01:00:04,899
do they talk a little bit about what

1504
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:06,819
type of funding that needs

1505
01:00:11,689 --> 01:00:08,890
no I don't know how much it is I just

1506
01:00:13,499 --> 01:00:11,699
like you said I know it's expensive and

1507
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:13,509
they're gonna have to raise a lot of

1508
01:00:18,959 --> 01:00:14,799
money I don't think they have it right

1509
01:00:22,229 --> 01:00:18,969
now that's disappointing but we also

1510
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:22,239
have we're gonna hear some in James

1511
01:00:25,049 --> 01:00:23,890
Fox's documentary suppose we're gonna

1512
01:00:28,109 --> 01:00:25,059
hear about some amazing breakthroughs

1513
01:00:30,269 --> 01:00:28,119
with metamaterials with Jacques Vallee

1514
01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:30,279
and possibly Gary Nolan so I'm really

1515
01:00:33,150 --> 01:00:31,630
looking forward to that documentary I

1516
01:00:35,179 --> 01:00:33,160
don't know if you've seen any trip there

1517
01:00:37,620 --> 01:00:35,189
been any previews out so far not really

1518
01:00:40,859 --> 01:00:37,630
you know Lee spiegel's a friend of mine

1519
01:00:42,539 --> 01:00:40,869
and he was heavily involved in that so

1520
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:42,549
I've been talking with him a little bit

1521
01:00:47,759 --> 01:00:44,650
about it the movies basically wrapped

1522
01:00:49,549 --> 01:00:47,769
there just and I do believe I'll be

1523
01:00:53,009 --> 01:00:49,559
finding out more but I do believe that

1524
01:00:54,659 --> 01:00:53,019
it's gonna be out by I believe by the

1525
01:00:57,259 --> 01:00:54,669
end of the year but I'm not a hundred

1526
01:01:00,809 --> 01:00:57,269
percent sure and speaking of Lee Spiegel

1527
01:01:04,380 --> 01:01:00,819
he's got a great show that's on kgr a

1528
01:01:07,289 --> 01:01:04,390
radio right here it's on Thursday nights

1529
01:01:09,329 --> 01:01:07,299
at 8 to 10 this will be his third one

1530
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,339
coming up the last two were great shock

1531
01:01:16,769 --> 01:01:12,400
Valais was his first guest last week was

1532
01:01:19,409 --> 01:01:16,779
two people Ben Hansen and dr. Martin I

1533
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:19,419
can't remember his last name he had to

1534
01:01:23,399 --> 01:01:20,799
do with us that was actually a life

1535
01:01:24,469 --> 01:01:23,409
after death type of thing of really

1536
01:01:26,579 --> 01:01:24,479
interesting

1537
01:01:28,679 --> 01:01:26,589
did I hear a chime in from the

1538
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:28,689
background on that yeah that was Pitt

1539
01:01:33,029 --> 01:01:30,130
State dr. Pitts tick

1540
01:01:35,399 --> 01:01:33,039
yes thank you race but anyway so check

1541
01:01:37,309 --> 01:01:35,409
that show out Lee Spiegel Thursday

1542
01:01:43,279 --> 01:01:37,319
night's 8:00 to 10:00 p.m. Eastern

1543
01:01:49,019 --> 01:01:43,289
Daylight Savings Time and so I know that

1544
01:01:51,449 --> 01:01:49,029
Nolan I think he's Stanford based or I

1545
01:01:54,269 --> 01:01:51,459
do believe he was Stanford I think

1546
01:01:57,299 --> 01:01:54,279
that's right yeah and they do have you

1547
01:01:59,880 --> 01:01:57,309
know quite an all-star team there and I

1548
01:02:02,429 --> 01:01:59,890
really hope that you know we're talking

1549
01:02:04,769 --> 01:02:02,439
earlier about the lull I think you know

1550
01:02:06,929 --> 01:02:04,779
more or less you got that and I think

1551
01:02:09,149 --> 01:02:06,939
we're in a society where everyone wants

1552
01:02:12,059 --> 01:02:09,159
instant gratification it's really hard

1553
01:02:15,269 --> 01:02:12,069
to be patient I've had a couple of

1554
01:02:19,049 --> 01:02:15,279
conversations with ralph Blumenthal who

1555
01:02:20,310 --> 01:02:19,059
Leslie Cain and along can't remember the

1556
01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:20,320
woman's name over the

1557
01:02:23,970 --> 01:02:23,230
times but he said you know be patient

1558
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:23,980
lose it

1559
01:02:29,550 --> 01:02:26,730
yeah Helene that's right Helene Cooper

1560
01:02:33,060 --> 01:02:29,560
you know basically Ralph says just be

1561
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:33,070
patient there's more coming so that'll

1562
01:02:37,410 --> 01:02:35,710
be interesting yeah that's actually

1563
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:37,420
works in my favor because when I when I

1564
01:02:42,180 --> 01:02:39,730
get overwhelmed I'm like please to slow

1565
01:02:43,530 --> 01:02:42,190
down a little bit so this law this law

1566
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:43,540
has been great because I've been away

1567
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:45,370
and working the last couple of weeks so

1568
01:02:49,860 --> 01:02:47,920
I'm happy with the law the law the law

1569
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:49,870
was good I mean yeah I want progress but

1570
01:02:57,390 --> 01:02:51,510
I'm okay right now

1571
01:02:59,340 --> 01:02:57,400
mm-hmm yeah yeah well we are in I think

1572
01:03:01,590 --> 01:02:59,350
this is the most interesting time that

1573
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:01,600
I've been and I have to keep in mind I

1574
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:04,330
always forget this that since all this

1575
01:03:09,030 --> 01:03:06,910
has happened it's I have new listeners

1576
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:09,040
every week that are just starting to

1577
01:03:15,150 --> 01:03:12,450
listen to you know anything about UFOs

1578
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:15,160
and it's every week I get more and more

1579
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:17,310
email and I could see the numbers

1580
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:21,010
growing so when we talk about cases it's

1581
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:22,690
really a good idea to kind of go into

1582
01:03:27,570 --> 01:03:24,730
them a little more than we generally

1583
01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:27,580
have just so the new person can you know

1584
01:03:35,460 --> 01:03:30,100
get a grip of what actually happened in

1585
01:03:38,010 --> 01:03:35,470
these cases so as far as the nimitz goes

1586
01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:38,020
do you think that i think that's one of

1587
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:41,260
the most important cases that's happened

1588
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:42,490
in many many years what are your

1589
01:03:47,970 --> 01:03:44,710
thoughts on that I think it's the most

1590
01:03:51,210 --> 01:03:47,980
important case right now I think in the

1591
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:51,220
future the gimble case will we'll top it

1592
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:53,890
I think when okay I'll involve the

1593
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,890
pilots involved supposedly there and not

1594
01:04:00,450 --> 01:03:58,480
that specific craft that we see in the

1595
01:04:03,030 --> 01:04:00,460
gimbal video but you know lieutenant

1596
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:03,040
Ryan graves and Daniel Coyne they've

1597
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:05,170
spoken about their experiences there

1598
01:04:09,450 --> 01:04:07,210
were two pilots that they didn't they

1599
01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:09,460
weren't the pilots that you hear in the

1600
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:12,670
gimbal video but they all kind knows to

1601
01:04:17,550 --> 01:04:15,490
the the wizzo the backseater and the

1602
01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:17,560
pilot he knows them really well and they

1603
01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:19,030
but those two have had their encounters

1604
01:04:24,270 --> 01:04:21,430
too but it's not clear exactly what they

1605
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:24,280
what they saw but they said I think it

1606
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:28,210
was grave said there's 60 to 100 guys

1607
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:29,680
that have had encounters off the East

1608
01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:32,110
Coast and imagine if all if every all of

1609
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:34,140
them came forward they were all

1610
01:04:37,099 --> 01:04:35,640
to come forward they were sold all right

1611
01:04:38,989 --> 01:04:37,109
you guys need to speak and just tell

1612
01:04:40,999 --> 01:04:38,999
what you saw what's your experience

1613
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:41,009
because right now they're hesitant the

1614
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,960
one guy in the that you hear audio wise

1615
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:44,640
he was supposed to be in one of the

1616
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:46,799
episodes of unidentified but he got cold

1617
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:48,569
feet at the last minute so we didn't

1618
01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:50,630
hear from him and the rest of that video

1619
01:04:54,259 --> 01:04:52,680
that's another thing if we get to see

1620
01:04:56,029 --> 01:04:54,269
the rest of the gimbal video where

1621
01:04:57,739 --> 01:04:56,039
there's a there's a fleet I don't know

1622
01:04:59,329 --> 01:04:57,749
what shape they're if they're just

1623
01:05:01,720 --> 01:04:59,339
circular object but there's a fleet

1624
01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:01,730
that's with the larger gimbal object and

1625
01:05:07,579 --> 01:05:05,160
I want to see that video but so far we

1626
01:05:08,809 --> 01:05:07,589
don't have it the tic-tac I mean that's

1627
01:05:11,420 --> 01:05:08,819
yeah that's what changed everything for

1628
01:05:14,509 --> 01:05:11,430
me once that started leaking out and I

1629
01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:14,519
got to go to the mega conference in

1630
01:05:21,970 --> 01:05:17,160
Laughlin and I got to meet Kevin day and

1631
01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:21,980
Gary Voorhees and Jason Taylor and PJ I

1632
01:05:27,650 --> 01:05:24,630
think of PJ's name right now offhand his

1633
01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:27,660
last name but yeah great guys got to see

1634
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,369
them speak talk to them spend time with

1635
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:30,960
them and and there's still I know a lot

1636
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,249
of people skeptical some of their

1637
01:05:37,249 --> 01:05:34,559
stories because PJ says he's seen us so

1638
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:37,259
like an 8 to minute eight to ten minute

1639
01:05:44,450 --> 01:05:42,390
tic-tac video and PJ says that his his

1640
01:05:46,130 --> 01:05:44,460
data discs were confiscated that's why

1641
01:05:48,109 --> 01:05:46,140
you know it's like people say it was our

1642
01:05:49,819 --> 01:05:48,119
technology you know because they were on

1643
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:49,829
supposedly these guys came on the ship

1644
01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:52,170
in uniform and they confiscated

1645
01:05:57,499 --> 01:05:54,329
everything that was classified you know

1646
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:57,509
the the Hawkeye discs and that's what

1647
01:06:00,829 --> 01:05:58,559
people like well how did that if they

1648
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:00,839
knew if they were on so quickly so maybe

1649
01:06:05,779 --> 01:06:02,930
it was one of our craft being tested but

1650
01:06:07,609 --> 01:06:05,789
yeah if we have that technology I mean

1651
01:06:09,739 --> 01:06:07,619
we are so out of the loop on how far

1652
01:06:11,479 --> 01:06:09,749
those advanced I mean I know most people

1653
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:11,489
think we haven't even come close I mean

1654
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:13,170
you've heard Eric Davis talk about he's

1655
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:15,089
like no we have not even come close to

1656
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,369
any of that that's not our technology

1657
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:19,680
but there are other people that are 100%

1658
01:06:24,109 --> 01:06:22,440
convinced that it is so I leave that

1659
01:06:26,569 --> 01:06:24,119
possibility open because there's no way

1660
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,579
for us to know but yeah we'd have was

1661
01:06:30,650 --> 01:06:28,799
the stuff in the 50s and the 40's was

1662
01:06:33,979 --> 01:06:30,660
that our technology I have a hard time

1663
01:06:38,809 --> 01:06:33,989
with that yeah same here same here yeah

1664
01:06:41,299 --> 01:06:38,819
no it really is it really is so it is

1665
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:41,309
quite a puzzle and well that was PJ

1666
01:06:47,690 --> 01:06:43,920
Hughes by the way AJ you thank you sorry

1667
01:06:50,660 --> 01:06:47,700
PJ yeah and he was on this show

1668
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,670
talking about the situation no I

1669
01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:52,079
understand and you know the most

1670
01:06:57,980 --> 01:06:53,910
fascinating thing about the gimbal that

1671
01:07:00,589 --> 01:06:57,990
whole situation in 2014 I believe it was

1672
01:07:03,470 --> 01:07:00,599
possibly is that it followed them

1673
01:07:05,540 --> 01:07:03,480
overseas that is amazing right and

1674
01:07:07,310 --> 01:07:05,550
people it was I think they started

1675
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,320
seeing things in 2014 and the videos

1676
01:07:13,609 --> 01:07:09,599
were shot in 2015 off of Jacksonville

1677
01:07:15,470 --> 01:07:13,619
gimble and go fast and yeah graves talks

1678
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:15,480
about they went over to the Middle East

1679
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,849
and when I got there they experienced

1680
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:20,400
some of the same radar hits it's not a

1681
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,260
you know it wasn't as clear as what

1682
01:07:26,060 --> 01:07:24,480
happened on the East Coast but if you

1683
01:07:28,190 --> 01:07:26,070
watch the interviewee he's convinced

1684
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:28,200
that yeah they were they were it seems

1685
01:07:31,550 --> 01:07:29,609
like the same thing happened over there

1686
01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:31,560
and you know it's happening everywhere

1687
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:33,390
is it is it happening with other strike

1688
01:07:37,730 --> 01:07:35,730
groups that's that's the key we can hear

1689
01:07:39,260 --> 01:07:37,740
from more of these strike groups you

1690
01:07:40,609 --> 01:07:39,270
know because once they had their radar

1691
01:07:43,220 --> 01:07:40,619
upgrade that's when they're able to pick

1692
01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:43,230
up these things I make the analogy have

1693
01:07:47,650 --> 01:07:45,960
you ever seen the movie they live with

1694
01:07:50,060 --> 01:07:47,660
rowdy roddy piper

1695
01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:50,070
there's these these beings on planet

1696
01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:51,960
earth and the only way you can see them

1697
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:53,880
is if you wet these special sunglasses

1698
01:07:57,380 --> 01:07:55,290
you put on and then you could see them

1699
01:08:00,319 --> 01:07:57,390
and that's kind of like once we got the

1700
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:00,329
radar upgrade yeah now see you we can

1701
01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:02,640
see you now and it's like and George

1702
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:04,020
Knapp has said there's only a couple

1703
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:05,520
months ago he said these things are

1704
01:08:08,510 --> 01:08:07,920
occurring every day off the East Coast

1705
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:08,520
right now

1706
01:08:12,740 --> 01:08:10,710
so are these if they're not ours and

1707
01:08:14,569 --> 01:08:12,750
they're from elsewhere are they are they

1708
01:08:17,300 --> 01:08:14,579
trying to you know instigate something

1709
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:17,310
are they pushing us to reveal if it you

1710
01:08:20,749 --> 01:08:18,480
know it's because that's what seems like

1711
01:08:23,660 --> 01:08:20,759
what's happening right now if it's every

1712
01:08:25,579 --> 01:08:23,670
day they're encountering him and I told

1713
01:08:27,140 --> 01:08:25,589
that I was on Twitter and I told that to

1714
01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:27,150
Brian bender and he's like I haven't

1715
01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:28,440
heard that I'm like yeah George Knapp

1716
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:30,450
said it and I do trust George Knapp he

1717
01:08:34,999 --> 01:08:32,370
said from and from an intelligence or

1718
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:35,009
defense official that every day as a

1719
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:36,810
couple months ago they're encountering

1720
01:08:42,249 --> 01:08:40,049
these objects it's amazing yep I I know

1721
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:42,259
it's you know the different spectrums

1722
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:46,319
you know it's just probably as things

1723
01:08:52,099 --> 01:08:48,690
advanced you know we'll probably see

1724
01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:52,109
more and more of what Everett whatever

1725
01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:54,450
they are you know and that's one of the

1726
01:09:00,079 --> 01:08:56,310
things on this show I've always kind of

1727
01:09:01,229 --> 01:09:00,089
tried to maintain is we really do have

1728
01:09:03,420 --> 01:09:01,239
no clue

1729
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:03,430
exactly what these things are and it's

1730
01:09:09,090 --> 01:09:06,250
it's an amazing mystery whether they

1731
01:09:11,459 --> 01:09:09,100
come from another planet or or wherever

1732
01:09:15,300 --> 01:09:11,469
it's still just an amazing mystery that

1733
01:09:20,130 --> 01:09:15,310
we could be sharing this planet you know

1734
01:09:22,019 --> 01:09:20,140
with them and you know I mean who knows

1735
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:22,029
if we'll what is your what are your

1736
01:09:25,530 --> 01:09:23,170
thoughts do you think we'll ever know

1737
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:25,540
actually what these things are we're

1738
01:09:30,150 --> 01:09:27,299
we're on the same or on the same

1739
01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:30,160
wavelength as far as not knowing because

1740
01:09:33,930 --> 01:09:31,960
I do get people saying I know what they

1741
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:33,940
are this is what they are and I'm like

1742
01:09:37,559 --> 01:09:36,310
yeah that's I that doesn't do anything

1743
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:37,569
for me I don't know of what they are I

1744
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:40,930
mean that's an opinion but when I first

1745
01:09:45,059 --> 01:09:43,120
got into it heavily you know in the mid

1746
01:09:47,070 --> 01:09:45,069
to late 90s I was convinced that's what

1747
01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:47,080
I said I but I was so gung ho was like

1748
01:09:51,900 --> 01:09:49,420
by the year 2000 we're going to know

1749
01:09:54,059 --> 01:09:51,910
what UFOs represent it's like you know

1750
01:09:58,020 --> 01:09:54,069
ain't years later we still don't know

1751
01:10:00,270 --> 01:09:58,030
you know and this actually works well

1752
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:00,280
with another blog I'm working on and

1753
01:10:05,550 --> 01:10:03,520
it's going to be controversial it's it's

1754
01:10:07,530 --> 01:10:05,560
an audio tape that's been around for a

1755
01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:07,540
little bit it's a couple of years I

1756
01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:09,910
think it was recorded in February of

1757
01:10:18,990 --> 01:10:15,400
2017 and it's kit green he's talking to

1758
01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:19,000
a remote viewer slash psychic and he

1759
01:10:25,470 --> 01:10:23,260
gave her targets a person I'm probably

1760
01:10:28,170 --> 01:10:25,480
an experiencer because I know he works

1761
01:10:31,050 --> 01:10:28,180
with experiencers and she came back with

1762
01:10:33,540 --> 01:10:31,060
remote viewing about the person and an

1763
01:10:36,420 --> 01:10:33,550
event and the transcript is really

1764
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:36,430
interesting the the problem is it's you

1765
01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:38,320
can't verify the UFO information she's

1766
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:40,420
talking about underground bases are on

1767
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:43,920
or underwater bases Catalina Island and

1768
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:46,239
talking about how disclosure will come

1769
01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:48,130
about this particular case its

1770
01:10:56,940 --> 01:10:54,969
disclosure of a geological event so okay

1771
01:10:58,500 --> 01:10:56,950
well these extraterrestrials she names

1772
01:11:00,030 --> 01:10:58,510
which groups they might be what she

1773
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:00,040
thinks they are they're going to go to

1774
01:11:06,810 --> 01:11:03,130
disseminate disseminate who are very

1775
01:11:07,979 --> 01:11:06,820
good communicators and I can't prove any

1776
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,989
of that you know it's remote viewing

1777
01:11:13,979 --> 01:11:09,760
unless you get feedback it's useless but

1778
01:11:15,010 --> 01:11:13,989
she she does readings on the people the

1779
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:15,020
experiences and it's

1780
01:11:19,540 --> 01:11:17,750
medical based and kit Green says in the

1781
01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:19,550
in the interview he says well I've given

1782
01:11:23,410 --> 01:11:21,860
your analysis your medical analysis to

1783
01:11:25,330 --> 01:11:23,420
several of the experiences and they're

1784
01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:25,340
they're saying that you're 95 percent

1785
01:11:28,900 --> 01:11:27,380
accurate about their medical situation

1786
01:11:31,660 --> 01:11:28,910
and their overall health

1787
01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:31,670
so she's accurate on the medical does

1788
01:11:34,030 --> 01:11:32,780
that mean she's accurate on the

1789
01:11:37,690 --> 01:11:34,040
ufo-related

1790
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:37,700
remote viewing don't know but we'll see

1791
01:11:43,810 --> 01:11:39,530
what she says happens and I'll leave

1792
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:43,820
some of it for the blog it's and script

1793
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:45,770
of them talking back and forth and her

1794
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:49,610
telling him what well you know we have a

1795
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:52,640
we have a caller on the line and this is

1796
01:11:57,610 --> 01:11:55,040
the very first time that I'm going to be

1797
01:12:00,730 --> 01:11:57,620
using we have a call screener taking

1798
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:00,740
care of everything and I actually he's

1799
01:12:09,010 --> 01:12:03,290
up putting in the name right now and so

1800
01:12:12,430 --> 01:12:09,020
we have Andy on Andy I'm gonna looks

1801
01:12:16,270 --> 01:12:12,440
like Stratford Connecticut Andy welcome

1802
01:12:20,350 --> 01:12:16,280
to the show thank you thank you I

1803
01:12:24,580 --> 01:12:20,360
thought you're a very first caller did

1804
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:24,590
that I didn't hang up on him he's gone

1805
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:28,640
oh well that's one of the very first

1806
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:29,120
caller

1807
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:32,510
so Andy if you're listening give us a

1808
01:12:39,250 --> 01:12:35,090
call back give us another try yeah I did

1809
01:12:42,430 --> 01:12:39,260
a I did a public-access television show

1810
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:42,440
back in around 2000 and I did not screen

1811
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,490
calls and it was the worst idea I would

1812
01:12:50,410 --> 01:12:48,560
take lot it was all alive and I would

1813
01:12:51,970 --> 01:12:50,420
have guessed on like I'd have Linda

1814
01:12:53,050 --> 01:12:51,980
Moulton Howe live on the phone and then

1815
01:12:55,870 --> 01:12:53,060
I would take a caller and it would be

1816
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:55,880
nothing but cursing so yeah

1817
01:13:00,820 --> 01:12:58,400
screenings good yeah yeah well I've had

1818
01:13:03,790 --> 01:13:00,830
really good luck but I've been pushing

1819
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:03,800
my luck so looks like this looks like

1820
01:13:07,870 --> 01:13:06,080
Andy's probably calling back in or

1821
01:13:09,790 --> 01:13:07,880
someone else so I'll just wait until

1822
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:09,800
that is screened and I'll bring them in

1823
01:13:15,790 --> 01:13:13,520
but so that number just if you're

1824
01:13:18,730 --> 01:13:15,800
listening over on the live radio that's

1825
01:13:21,790 --> 01:13:18,740
eight five five four seven two five four

1826
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:21,800
eight three we have Dave Dave on the

1827
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:28,600
hello Martin

1828
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:31,520
hi there Dave how are you yeah hi this

1829
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:35,090
is James in Bellevue Washington not a by

1830
01:13:40,060 --> 01:13:37,520
God no you know this you're right I just

1831
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:40,070
saw him I just saw him change your name

1832
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:44,690
from Dave to James so welcome yeah oh

1833
01:13:54,510 --> 01:13:50,570
good well anyway good show and I love

1834
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:54,520
Jose Jose work and his website in his

1835
01:14:00,760 --> 01:13:57,770
transcriptions and I just want him to

1836
01:14:03,180 --> 01:14:00,770
know that I thank you but for reading to

1837
01:14:06,899 --> 01:14:03,190
watching YouTube and crap like that and

1838
01:14:10,990 --> 01:14:06,909
and furthermore I would like to say that

1839
01:14:13,810 --> 01:14:11,000
you know I do not believe that Tom

1840
01:14:16,090 --> 01:14:13,820
DeLonge and all of these guys are a

1841
01:14:17,859 --> 01:14:16,100
bunch of pathological liars and they're

1842
01:14:18,490 --> 01:14:17,869
out there just trying to scam and make a

1843
01:14:21,820 --> 01:14:18,500
few bucks

1844
01:14:23,770 --> 01:14:21,830
it is not true they are trying to do the

1845
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:23,780
right thing and there is something weird

1846
01:14:31,109 --> 01:14:26,449
going on and I've seen it

1847
01:14:36,010 --> 01:14:31,119
I know I've I've experienced it twice

1848
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:36,020
Wow hello so so so what do you mean

1849
01:14:43,570 --> 01:14:41,090
you've experienced it well I let's see

1850
01:14:47,050 --> 01:14:43,580
eleven years ago in Fall City Washington

1851
01:14:49,330 --> 01:14:47,060
my younger son and I were kind of we

1852
01:14:49,899 --> 01:14:49,340
were pretend camping he was like five

1853
01:14:53,620 --> 01:14:49,909
years old

1854
01:14:55,780 --> 01:14:53,630
in the backyard and it's a very remote

1855
01:15:03,340 --> 01:14:55,790
well not remote it's very rural area

1856
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:03,350
very dark and I saw an object it I won't

1857
01:15:09,370 --> 01:15:05,360
go into the details it would take too

1858
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:09,380
long but it was it was truly astonishing

1859
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:12,110
and then I had another one on December

1860
01:15:18,189 --> 01:15:14,449
30th of last year with my skeptic

1861
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:18,199
brother-in-law on my parents back porch

1862
01:15:27,010 --> 01:15:23,090
and Coeur d'Alene Idaho and he to this

1863
01:15:30,220 --> 01:15:27,020
day refuses to discuss it and it was

1864
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:30,230
truly amazing and you know they're out

1865
01:15:39,370 --> 01:15:33,440
there there and both of them were these

1866
01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:39,380
sort of tic-tac objects oh wow okay

1867
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:41,940
interesting that is interesting you know

1868
01:15:47,210 --> 01:15:44,930
I messed up on this line James of

1869
01:15:49,490 --> 01:15:47,220
anything else because I'm blocking

1870
01:15:51,950 --> 01:15:49,500
everyone from calling in by accident

1871
01:15:53,330 --> 01:15:51,960
it's just uh it's on my end oh no no

1872
01:15:55,070 --> 01:15:53,340
Martin that's okay

1873
01:15:57,980 --> 01:15:55,080
thank you thanks all right thank you

1874
01:16:00,440 --> 01:15:57,990
very much okay so that should bring

1875
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:00,450
everything back to normal for people

1876
01:16:04,580 --> 01:16:02,640
that want to call in he said funny he

1877
01:16:06,350 --> 01:16:04,590
said this yeah won't refuses to speak

1878
01:16:08,660 --> 01:16:06,360
about it I have people in my family that

1879
01:16:10,820 --> 01:16:08,670
will not address this whatsoever and I

1880
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:10,830
tell them I'm like I work a lot on this

1881
01:16:16,340 --> 01:16:12,690
here's my blog you know any feedback

1882
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:16,350
nothing not one word I think it's just I

1883
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:17,910
think the people are a lot of people are

1884
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:19,530
just afraid of what it represents the

1885
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:21,210
possibilities that it what it could what

1886
01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:23,130
it could mean for their lives if this

1887
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:25,320
you know something is visiting and we're

1888
01:16:28,940 --> 01:16:28,170
not the top dog on this planet yeah yeah

1889
01:16:33,410 --> 01:16:28,950
that's right

1890
01:16:37,940 --> 01:16:33,420
right I've also had you know some people

1891
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:37,950
that just are not you know that I've

1892
01:16:42,230 --> 01:16:40,770
spoken to that are just plain you know

1893
01:16:43,940 --> 01:16:42,240
they'll talk about a little bit and then

1894
01:16:47,180 --> 01:16:43,950
that's it they're done they don't want

1895
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:47,190
to talk about it again or more now we do

1896
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:49,530
have another caller waiting and it had I

1897
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:52,290
think it's a Andy that we lost Andy

1898
01:16:59,210 --> 01:16:56,610
welcome to the show hi thank you good

1899
01:17:01,310 --> 01:16:59,220
always I think we hung up on you or

1900
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:01,320
something happened but welcome to the

1901
01:17:06,830 --> 01:17:03,090
showed you have a question for our guest

1902
01:17:12,350 --> 01:17:06,840
I do I just was wondering what Joe's

1903
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:12,360
thoughts were as a you know a guy in the

1904
01:17:17,530 --> 01:17:14,610
entertainment industry if he thinks that

1905
01:17:20,810 --> 01:17:17,540
disclosure wouldn't eventually come

1906
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:20,820
regardless of the t TSA or move on or

1907
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:24,210
the government just just strictly by

1908
01:17:31,580 --> 01:17:28,850
force of all the sightings and all the

1909
01:17:33,980 --> 01:17:31,590
testimonials that just go on every day

1910
01:17:37,250 --> 01:17:33,990
which seem to be beyond everyone's

1911
01:17:40,250 --> 01:17:37,260
control you know I've seen some funny

1912
01:17:41,860 --> 01:17:40,260
things and I'm convinced I don't need

1913
01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:41,870
the government to tell me that

1914
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:44,280
so I'll just I'll take your answer off

1915
01:17:51,290 --> 01:17:47,450
there thank you though thank you

1916
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,300
thanks all right Joe well know we've

1917
01:17:57,620 --> 01:17:53,280
seen we've had the sightings and

1918
01:17:59,660 --> 01:17:57,630
great sightings for decades and still

1919
01:18:02,180 --> 01:17:59,670
there Marne yep still here yep yes so

1920
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,190
we've had that for decades and nothing

1921
01:18:07,010 --> 01:18:04,800
really changed I mean and I I don't

1922
01:18:09,260 --> 01:18:07,020
think as far as me being entertainment I

1923
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:09,270
mean I could comment on you know the

1924
01:18:13,190 --> 01:18:11,250
production of unidentified but I don't

1925
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:13,200
think identified has anything to do with

1926
01:18:17,180 --> 01:18:14,610
what we're seeing right now I think it's

1927
01:18:19,210 --> 01:18:17,190
more Chris Mel and I think it's mostly

1928
01:18:21,770 --> 01:18:19,220
Mellon working behind the scenes and

1929
01:18:23,150 --> 01:18:21,780
helping to brief members of Congress and

1930
01:18:25,220 --> 01:18:23,160
that's where all this is coming from

1931
01:18:27,230 --> 01:18:25,230
whether or not it leads to congressional

1932
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:27,240
hearings I mean the long recently said

1933
01:18:31,460 --> 01:18:29,040
three to five years you'll start to hear

1934
01:18:33,620 --> 01:18:31,470
rumbling so people really need patience

1935
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:33,630
if he's right and it's three to five

1936
01:18:37,070 --> 01:18:35,040
years before we have congressional

1937
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:37,080
hearings you know people need to just

1938
01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:38,850
tamper down their expectations a little

1939
01:18:43,220 --> 01:18:40,380
bit stuff will happen between now and

1940
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:43,230
then and it'll be a fun ride but you

1941
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:47,040
know patience patience patience and yeah

1942
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,450
I don't think it would happen it would

1943
01:18:52,460 --> 01:18:50,640
anything really maybe eventually stop

1944
01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:52,470
what happened maybe I don't know what

1945
01:18:55,190 --> 01:18:54,120
the future holds what would as far as

1946
01:18:56,900 --> 01:18:55,200
sightings maybe there would be an

1947
01:19:00,260 --> 01:18:56,910
amazing siding where everybody would be

1948
01:19:02,510 --> 01:19:00,270
forced to you know confront it but and I

1949
01:19:04,370 --> 01:19:02,520
think I think a lot of those a lot of

1950
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:04,380
what they talk about is is geared

1951
01:19:07,190 --> 01:19:05,850
towards the person who's really never

1952
01:19:08,570 --> 01:19:07,200
heard of there are new people getting

1953
01:19:10,850 --> 01:19:08,580
into the city I've never heard of it

1954
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:10,860
before you know stuff that's like for us

1955
01:19:15,470 --> 01:19:12,570
it's old for other people it's like I

1956
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:15,480
you know brand-new that's right yeah if

1957
01:19:18,710 --> 01:19:16,890
you get enough of those people and

1958
01:19:20,450 --> 01:19:18,720
enough those people who actually contact

1959
01:19:22,490 --> 01:19:20,460
their representatives we can make

1960
01:19:24,010 --> 01:19:22,500
progress you know and I'm I'm hopeful

1961
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:24,020
for the next couple of years

1962
01:19:29,150 --> 01:19:27,330
me too we have another caller I'd like

1963
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:29,160
to bring them on the line that that's

1964
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:32,960
okay getting used to this set up here

1965
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:36,210
sergeant from Napper Ville Illinois

1966
01:19:42,380 --> 01:19:37,530
welcome to the show

1967
01:19:45,260 --> 01:19:42,390
I thank you longtime listener Martin I

1968
01:19:48,940 --> 01:19:45,270
enjoy your show very much well thank you

1969
01:19:51,980 --> 01:19:48,950
Oh Joe hey how you doing sorry like you

1970
01:19:53,330 --> 01:19:51,990
good good I enjoy your Twitter feed very

1971
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:53,340
much thank you

1972
01:20:01,970 --> 01:19:56,010
question for you not to change the

1973
01:20:07,070 --> 01:20:01,980
subject your thoughts on communication

1974
01:20:13,460 --> 01:20:07,080
with whoever the other maybe via

1975
01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:13,470
hummus I've been or DMP you have any

1976
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:16,590
thoughts on that actually I'm in Newport

1977
01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:19,860
Oregon right now and I kind of weeks ago

1978
01:20:25,970 --> 01:20:23,490
I was in Portland for meditation

1979
01:20:29,540 --> 01:20:25,980
conferences that I shot but the first

1980
01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:29,550
two days I attended a psychedelics

1981
01:20:33,740 --> 01:20:32,310
conference so yeah all of that kind of

1982
01:20:36,530 --> 01:20:33,750
stuff was discussed and it's funny

1983
01:20:38,270 --> 01:20:36,540
because a lot of a lot of the stuff that

1984
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,280
people talk about while they're under

1985
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:40,800
you know either psilocybin or DMT it's

1986
01:20:45,620 --> 01:20:43,110
it's similar to UFO abduction experience

1987
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:45,630
or just encounters with beings so I mean

1988
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:47,850
also with it's funny in the meditation

1989
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:50,460
conference same thing you listen to the

1990
01:20:53,900 --> 01:20:51,840
meditation experiences and they're

1991
01:20:55,490 --> 01:20:53,910
talking about higher dimensional beings

1992
01:20:58,220 --> 01:20:55,500
lowering their energy coming down it's

1993
01:20:59,690 --> 01:20:58,230
it's just like it's also similar to UFO

1994
01:21:03,980 --> 01:20:59,700
experiences so I think it's all

1995
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:03,990
connected it's really something that's

1996
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:05,610
always been an interest of mine I mean I

1997
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:08,490
read Graham Hancock's book back in I

1998
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:10,050
don't know how long ago it was but he

1999
01:21:15,710 --> 01:21:13,920
talked about ayahuasca and and and I've

2000
01:21:18,020 --> 01:21:15,720
always had an interest never never

2001
01:21:19,010 --> 01:21:18,030
taking anything but definitely have an

2002
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:19,020
interest and yeah

2003
01:21:22,460 --> 01:21:20,820
DMT the spirit molecule I read the book

2004
01:21:24,350 --> 01:21:22,470
by Rick strausmann where they talk about

2005
01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:24,360
they have these experiences with these

2006
01:21:29,420 --> 01:21:26,340
beings and it's it's really similar

2007
01:21:30,980 --> 01:21:29,430
across experiences so it's like if it's

2008
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:30,990
just a random elucidation

2009
01:21:34,820 --> 01:21:32,610
you wouldn't expect to have the same

2010
01:21:37,190 --> 01:21:34,830
exact details over and over and over

2011
01:21:38,990 --> 01:21:37,200
again so I don't know if it helps tune

2012
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:39,000
the brain into another dimension where

2013
01:21:43,820 --> 01:21:41,490
they're experiencing these beans or it

2014
01:21:46,510 --> 01:21:43,830
is just a loosen ation I don't know but

2015
01:21:48,530 --> 01:21:46,520
yeah it's a it's definitely worth

2016
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:48,540
studying further and that stuff's

2017
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:51,600
becoming more and more within research

2018
01:21:57,310 --> 01:21:54,530
it's becoming more accepted like MDMA

2019
01:22:00,650 --> 01:21:57,320
psilocybin for people who have you know

2020
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:00,660
PTSD all an LSD to all that stuff was

2021
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:02,370
first used when it first came out for

2022
01:22:05,150 --> 01:22:03,510
that kind of research

2023
01:22:07,580 --> 01:22:05,160
well now it's starting to come back it's

2024
01:22:09,020 --> 01:22:07,590
it's doctors are and psychologists are

2025
01:22:10,220 --> 01:22:09,030
able to work with it they're doing more

2026
01:22:11,930 --> 01:22:10,230
and more research so that's really

2027
01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:11,940
promising especially people with PTSD

2028
01:22:16,100 --> 01:22:14,220
and people who are facing like end of

2029
01:22:18,290 --> 01:22:16,110
life can't terminal cancer it helps them

2030
01:22:19,700 --> 01:22:18,300
deal with it so that's a great way and

2031
01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:19,710
it's been demonized over the you know

2032
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:20,760
the past to deck

2033
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:22,530
but it's that's definitely changing

2034
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:26,370
right now interesting Wow so sergeant

2035
01:22:34,430 --> 01:22:28,170
thank you so much anything any follow-up

2036
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:34,440
on that well no I just said um you know

2037
01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:37,290
I've been reading and hearing about a

2038
01:22:41,900 --> 01:22:39,420
lot of theories regarding consciousness

2039
01:22:44,810 --> 01:22:41,910
and the brain and I think one that that

2040
01:22:47,060 --> 01:22:44,820
makes a lot of sense to me not only from

2041
01:22:48,890 --> 01:22:47,070
what I hear just from some of the

2042
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:48,900
experiences that I've had

2043
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:51,330
not necessarily regarding the two things

2044
01:23:00,800 --> 01:22:57,440
that I mentioned however the the brain

2045
01:23:04,250 --> 01:23:00,810
is really it can be really considered

2046
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,260
more of a limiter for you know

2047
01:23:10,700 --> 01:23:06,960
consciousness and again I don't want to

2048
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,710
take the content in a completely

2049
01:23:14,660 --> 01:23:12,960
different direction but yeah I mean I

2050
01:23:20,230 --> 01:23:14,670
think we're we're kind of thinking along

2051
01:23:22,820 --> 01:23:20,240
the same lines there oh good thank you

2052
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:22,830
all right you bet all right take care

2053
01:23:28,430 --> 01:23:25,290
all right we do have another call are

2054
01:23:31,550 --> 01:23:28,440
you ready to take that call now I would

2055
01:23:33,610 --> 01:23:31,560
say Mike calling from Massachusetts

2056
01:23:36,110 --> 01:23:33,620
welcome to the show

2057
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:36,120
baby Martin how are you I'm doing well

2058
01:23:41,020 --> 01:23:38,490
you're not too far away from me as a

2059
01:23:44,270 --> 01:23:41,030
crow flies so to speak

2060
01:23:46,910 --> 01:23:44,280
yeah actually right down in the Boston

2061
01:23:50,060 --> 01:23:46,920
area yeah I go there actually once a

2062
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:50,070
week so yeah welcome to the show you

2063
01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:53,760
have a question for our guest yeah so I

2064
01:23:58,130 --> 01:23:56,280
just got a question in general I guess

2065
01:24:02,810 --> 01:23:58,140
with everything that's come out so far

2066
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:02,820
that you see in the media I do think

2067
01:24:08,570 --> 01:24:04,410
that there will be more information

2068
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:08,580
coming out with regard to the abduction

2069
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:10,530
phenomenon I know that's kind of very

2070
01:24:15,770 --> 01:24:12,810
far-fetched or at least some people to

2071
01:24:17,930 --> 01:24:15,780
really even consider but I mean from my

2072
01:24:19,370 --> 01:24:17,940
understanding and certain things that

2073
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:19,380
I've read I heard that a pretty

2074
01:24:23,450 --> 01:24:21,330
significant population of the world

2075
01:24:26,990 --> 01:24:23,460
actually experiences these abductions

2076
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:27,000
somewhere around 1% I read that's just

2077
01:24:31,700 --> 01:24:27,600
amazing

2078
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:31,710
hey yeah so with that being said I'm

2079
01:24:36,770 --> 01:24:34,530
just wondering if you know if there my

2080
01:24:40,330 --> 01:24:36,780
being news that comes out about that or

2081
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:40,340
I guess what your general thoughts are

2082
01:24:45,500 --> 01:24:43,320
go ahead and take it out Joe there's I

2083
01:24:46,580 --> 01:24:45,510
think it's vanity fair' I'll get to that

2084
01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:46,590
question a second but it's related

2085
01:24:50,990 --> 01:24:48,840
Vanity Fair does an article by I think

2086
01:24:53,089 --> 01:24:51,000
it's Ralph Blumenthal might have written

2087
01:24:54,740 --> 01:24:53,099
it he did it's about yes about the

2088
01:24:56,919 --> 01:24:54,750
abduction conference a few years back

2089
01:24:59,930 --> 01:24:56,929
you remember where it was yeah

2090
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:59,940
Providence Rhode Island right so it's a

2091
01:25:04,580 --> 01:25:01,440
great read everybody should read that

2092
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:04,590
just type in ralph Blumenthal abduction

2093
01:25:09,410 --> 01:25:06,570
Vanity Fair yep

2094
01:25:11,359 --> 01:25:09,420
and I believe Blumenthal is working on a

2095
01:25:12,620 --> 01:25:11,369
book he's spoken about he's mention I

2096
01:25:16,549 --> 01:25:12,630
think he mentioned it on your show it

2097
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:16,559
was about John Mack so as well is he

2098
01:25:22,970 --> 01:25:18,570
gonna write more articles about that I

2099
01:25:25,220 --> 01:25:22,980
don't know abductions it's funny because

2100
01:25:27,169 --> 01:25:25,230
Chris Mellon was asked on one of the

2101
01:25:29,450 --> 01:25:27,179
news shows if they've looked into any

2102
01:25:31,609 --> 01:25:29,460
encounters with these occupants of the

2103
01:25:34,069 --> 01:25:31,619
crap with the human beings and I think

2104
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:34,079
his answer was no but during one of that

2105
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,800
I think it's like that

2106
01:25:38,990 --> 01:25:36,480
unidentified there's a scene where he's

2107
01:25:41,029 --> 01:25:39,000
got the free book on his desk so it's

2108
01:25:43,250 --> 01:25:41,039
like that's a study of all the different

2109
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:43,260
types of abductions and all the data so

2110
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,840
I think I think they've looked at it I I

2111
01:25:49,609 --> 01:25:47,760
would be very surprised if they're

2112
01:25:52,069 --> 01:25:49,619
looking into UFOs and then not looking

2113
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:52,079
into encounters you know that people

2114
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:55,530
report so as far as far as playing or I

2115
01:25:59,870 --> 01:25:57,570
don't know when but I would think

2116
01:26:02,209 --> 01:25:59,880
eventually we'll get there people aren't

2117
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:02,219
ready to hear about it yet that no

2118
01:26:05,209 --> 01:26:03,360
they're not even ready to hear about

2119
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:05,219
that we have craft in our skies that we

2120
01:26:08,180 --> 01:26:06,690
can't identify they don't want to talk

2121
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:08,190
about that so I can't it's hard for me

2122
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:10,800
to it's really hard if I I drove [\h__\h]

2123
01:26:14,450 --> 01:26:12,570
last year and when this story broke or

2124
01:26:16,010 --> 01:26:14,460
was when it first broke I would ask

2125
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:16,020
people I'd be driving him like so did

2126
01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:17,520
you hear about the Pentagon UFO program

2127
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:19,260
and they said oh yeah I think I heard

2128
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:20,489
something about that and we talked about

2129
01:26:24,020 --> 01:26:22,650
it for a minute and then they'd say so

2130
01:26:26,180 --> 01:26:24,030
what do you thinks gonna win the game on

2131
01:26:28,609 --> 01:26:26,190
Sunday I'm like oh god I'm like I love

2132
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:28,619
sports what we're talking about UFOs so

2133
01:26:31,490 --> 01:26:30,210
I I was like I can't bring up a duck

2134
01:26:32,839 --> 01:26:31,500
since they don't even want to talk in

2135
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:32,849
depth about this subject and the real

2136
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:36,960
basics of it right yeah absolutely I

2137
01:26:40,540 --> 01:26:39,360
totally agree but definitely interesting

2138
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:40,550
stuff for sure

2139
01:26:47,870 --> 01:26:44,480
so the call hey Mike do appreciate that

2140
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:47,880
we have Kevin

2141
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:50,610
Kevin on the line welcome to the show

2142
01:26:58,910 --> 01:26:56,370
Kevin from Augusta Georgia I have a

2143
01:27:02,090 --> 01:26:58,920
question I mean well I'm an observation

2144
01:27:04,970 --> 01:27:02,100
sort of but always too much done as I

2145
01:27:08,030 --> 01:27:04,980
may consider that potentially what we're

2146
01:27:13,370 --> 01:27:08,040
seeing is I mean this this phenomena is

2147
01:27:19,690 --> 01:27:13,380
so beyond or Uncategorized by our own

2148
01:27:24,410 --> 01:27:22,700
honking exercise but taking it to a new

2149
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:24,420
level

2150
01:27:31,370 --> 01:27:28,530
you know I'll stop and stand back and

2151
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:31,380
listen to what you think I didn't have

2152
01:27:33,950 --> 01:27:32,730
what he said it what kind of exercise

2153
01:27:37,490 --> 01:27:33,960
they got cut off

2154
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:37,500
yeah I couldn't quite hear a debunking

2155
01:27:44,060 --> 01:27:40,290
exercise so what we're really seeing

2156
01:27:45,980 --> 01:27:44,070
from this whole TTS a thing is that so

2157
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:45,990
we're being said some stuff

2158
01:27:51,650 --> 01:27:49,050
perhaps the things that we see in the

2159
01:27:54,350 --> 01:27:51,660
style are legitimate we don't know what

2160
01:27:58,100 --> 01:27:54,360
they are but you know perhaps there's

2161
01:28:02,930 --> 01:27:58,110
another level to this right that they

2162
01:28:04,430 --> 01:28:02,940
really want to keep from the public's

2163
01:28:06,290 --> 01:28:04,440
understanding or from the public's

2164
01:28:09,650 --> 01:28:06,300
knowledge maybe it's too much I don't

2165
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:09,660
know but that we've there's many layers

2166
01:28:17,770 --> 01:28:12,930
this onion and what we're seeing right

2167
01:28:20,210 --> 01:28:17,780
now at et si is peeling one more back

2168
01:28:23,150 --> 01:28:20,220
yeah I mean hear me

2169
01:28:25,070 --> 01:28:23,160
yeah it's possible because you know

2170
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:25,080
there's the first level is sightings of

2171
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:26,970
unknown craft the next level right away

2172
01:28:31,700 --> 01:28:29,760
if that's acknowledged and well you have

2173
01:28:33,050 --> 01:28:31,710
any crash this do you have any bodies

2174
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:33,060
you know do you know where they're from

2175
01:28:37,460 --> 01:28:34,410
do you know what they want that's you

2176
01:28:38,780 --> 01:28:37,470
know Pandora's Box is opened and I don't

2177
01:28:41,540 --> 01:28:38,790
know we really haven't talked about the

2178
01:28:43,250 --> 01:28:41,550
Wilson Davis documents but you know that

2179
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:43,260
I don't know have you talked about it at

2180
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:46,290
all on your show Martin I have I had

2181
01:28:52,580 --> 01:28:50,130
Michael Hall all right yeah head Michael

2182
01:28:55,100 --> 01:28:52,590
Hall on the show oh I don't know three

2183
01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:55,110
three or four weeks ago and uh you know

2184
01:28:58,600 --> 01:28:57,360
I'm I'm on the fence about that one what

2185
01:29:02,580 --> 01:28:58,610
are your thoughts on that

2186
01:29:06,460 --> 01:29:02,590
document I mean you know Eric Davis I

2187
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:06,470
think they're real as far as what Wilson

2188
01:29:09,730 --> 01:29:08,210
told him is that accurate I don't know I

2189
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:09,740
don't know if that's accurate is no way

2190
01:29:14,140 --> 01:29:11,210
for us to know but I've heard that story

2191
01:29:15,310 --> 01:29:14,150
for such a long time that Greer was in

2192
01:29:16,900 --> 01:29:15,320
the Pentagon and I know Greer has a

2193
01:29:18,940 --> 01:29:16,910
reputation I have major problems with a

2194
01:29:20,650 --> 01:29:18,950
lot of what he does but I heard that

2195
01:29:22,180 --> 01:29:20,660
story back then and I always believed it

2196
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:22,190
and then I went to will Miller's house

2197
01:29:26,530 --> 01:29:24,320
will Miller was in the Pentagon with him

2198
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:26,540
he's part of that story I went to milk

2199
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:29,840
Wilma's house back in around 2003 2004

2200
01:29:35,170 --> 01:29:32,960
and we talked a little bit we'll mil is

2201
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:35,180
a straight shooter if real Miller says

2202
01:29:40,030 --> 01:29:37,130
he was there he was there whether or not

2203
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:40,040
but whether or not what Davis Wilson

2204
01:29:45,370 --> 01:29:42,770
told Davis in that car is accurate or

2205
01:29:46,810 --> 01:29:45,380
what what the this group that Wilson

2206
01:29:48,370 --> 01:29:46,820
supposedly met with whether or not what

2207
01:29:50,710 --> 01:29:48,380
they told him is accurate that they had

2208
01:29:51,820 --> 01:29:50,720
you know an alien disc and they didn't

2209
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:51,830
talk about bodies but they said they had

2210
01:29:55,300 --> 01:29:53,120
a Down craft that they were trying to

2211
01:29:57,340 --> 01:29:55,310
reverse engineer so yeah that's the next

2212
01:29:59,410 --> 01:29:57,350
level up and yeah I'm open to the next

2213
01:30:01,690 --> 01:29:59,420
level up how much how much higher up

2214
01:30:03,220 --> 01:30:01,700
does it go how much the people in the

2215
01:30:04,660 --> 01:30:03,230
know in this country how much more than

2216
01:30:06,250 --> 01:30:04,670
a no I don't know I go back and forth

2217
01:30:07,780 --> 01:30:06,260
maybe they just know basic or maybe they

2218
01:30:09,190 --> 01:30:07,790
know the whole story I don't know you

2219
01:30:09,790 --> 01:30:09,200
know you listen to the long they know

2220
01:30:11,500 --> 01:30:09,800
everything

2221
01:30:14,020 --> 01:30:11,510
you know they've responsible for our

2222
01:30:17,230 --> 01:30:14,030
religions the long talks about so much

2223
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:17,240
stuff that if it's true and the truth

2224
01:30:20,350 --> 01:30:18,320
comes out eventually

2225
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:20,360
look how people react to the basics

2226
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:21,650
imagine how they would react to say oh

2227
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:23,210
by the way your religion was made by an

2228
01:30:26,830 --> 01:30:25,010
extraterrestrial just to create havoc on

2229
01:30:37,020 --> 01:30:26,840
this planet okay how you gonna react to

2230
01:30:39,550 --> 01:30:37,030
that now you know yes yeah and so so

2231
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:39,560
what you're seeing and may well be true

2232
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:42,290
I mean there's not evidence of anything

2233
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:44,210
that's not proof of anything it's

2234
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:48,290
stories and its deniable so it's a good

2235
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:52,370
way to get a narrative out all right you

2236
01:30:57,370 --> 01:30:54,080
can't really hold anybody's piece of the

2237
01:30:59,080 --> 01:30:57,380
fire on it but it can be instructive so

2238
01:31:01,960 --> 01:30:59,090
I think that the stuff that they let out

2239
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:01,970
we need to listen to but I'm just not

2240
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:04,730
convinced that we're down we're getting

2241
01:31:12,430 --> 01:31:09,650
we're getting another layer of a story

2242
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:12,440
and that they'll back away from this

2243
01:31:17,020 --> 01:31:14,239
and I think that go long is in a great

2244
01:31:20,050 --> 01:31:17,030
position to be backed away from even

2245
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:20,060
honorable I get exactly what you're

2246
01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:21,770
saying yeah I got it he's definitely

2247
01:31:25,149 --> 01:31:23,600
they have their plausible deniability

2248
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:25,159
with him and there's other people they

2249
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:26,810
could have used but he's the one that

2250
01:31:31,090 --> 01:31:28,880
got in so however it happened that's

2251
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:31,100
what we're dealing with right now so you

2252
01:31:38,410 --> 01:31:33,370
got it get the get all the info you can

2253
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:38,420
they can and you know eyes wide open

2254
01:31:46,020 --> 01:31:41,449
ears wide open mouth [\h__\h] oh that's bad

2255
01:31:51,010 --> 01:31:49,149
excellent well thanks so much for the

2256
01:31:53,169 --> 01:31:51,020
call someone was just trying to call in

2257
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:53,179
I guess the screener didn't see it

2258
01:31:59,439 --> 01:31:55,760
so please do call in again that number

2259
01:32:03,580 --> 01:31:59,449
is eight five five four seven two five

2260
01:32:05,290 --> 01:32:03,590
four eight three but anyway uh I'm

2261
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:05,300
liking this phone system it's working

2262
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:08,050
pretty good there's another DeLong

2263
01:32:14,830 --> 01:32:10,880
recent interview he did on radio he said

2264
01:32:17,410 --> 01:32:14,840
I will tell you this I've met very very

2265
01:32:20,530 --> 01:32:17,420
very high-ranking intelligence officials

2266
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:20,540
that have had encounters direct and then

2267
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:22,489
the interview with jumps in experiences

2268
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:24,170
direct encounters and he goes yeah

2269
01:32:28,419 --> 01:32:26,210
there's actually some really unnerving

2270
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:28,429
aspects as far you know there's one

2271
01:32:32,290 --> 01:32:30,290
thing there's one program where there's

2272
01:32:33,790 --> 01:32:32,300
hundreds of operatives that have been

2273
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:33,800
having contact and they're trying to

2274
01:32:38,500 --> 01:32:35,840
figure out what that's all about it's

2275
01:32:41,290 --> 01:32:38,510
wild this was like a month ago so it's

2276
01:32:42,910 --> 01:32:41,300
like if that's true who are these people

2277
01:32:44,169 --> 01:32:42,920
what kind of contact are they having you

2278
01:32:47,410 --> 01:32:44,179
know it's one of those things we can't

2279
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:47,420
verify any of it really is it really is

2280
01:32:54,250 --> 01:32:49,850
something else we have another caller

2281
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:54,260
I'm just waiting for the for the thumbs

2282
01:32:58,689 --> 01:32:55,730
up here

2283
01:33:02,910 --> 01:32:58,699
the name is Malcolm and he's calling

2284
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:05,229
Martin thank you very much for having me

2285
01:33:16,990 --> 01:33:13,610
on the situation with abductions and the

2286
01:33:18,209 --> 01:33:17,000
way that the aliens who presumably are

2287
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:18,219
from somewhere else

2288
01:33:22,930 --> 01:33:21,199
communicate with the people they had

2289
01:33:27,950 --> 01:33:22,940
abducted I didn't mean to call them

2290
01:33:33,899 --> 01:33:30,390
they communicate with them by Neville

2291
01:33:35,910 --> 01:33:33,909
telepathy and if you read the accounts

2292
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:35,920
they can even manipulate people's

2293
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:39,130
emotions and and so those things they

2294
01:33:45,049 --> 01:33:42,010
never really saw I only know of one

2295
01:33:52,529 --> 01:33:45,059
other creature on earth that can do this

2296
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:52,539
and that is the dolphin is I don't know

2297
01:34:01,310 --> 01:33:56,489
is that actually science is that proven

2298
01:34:02,669 --> 01:34:01,320
no it's not and it's not science yet

2299
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:02,679
nevertheless

2300
01:34:08,489 --> 01:34:05,440
I've had telepathic experiences with

2301
01:34:10,890 --> 01:34:08,499
dolphins and a couple of adults and

2302
01:34:14,069 --> 01:34:10,900
trainers have as well and wrote books

2303
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:14,079
about it one of them is called thinking

2304
01:34:20,700 --> 01:34:16,570
dolphins talking whales by a New Zealand

2305
01:34:25,290 --> 01:34:20,710
trainer named Frank Robson and over in

2306
01:34:28,100 --> 01:34:25,300
England guy named David Holroyd wrote a

2307
01:34:30,899 --> 01:34:28,110
trilogy called the perfect pair about

2308
01:34:34,609 --> 01:34:30,909
his nasty experiences with golf in

2309
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:34,619
captivity nearly 70s he was a freedom

2310
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:40,960
well but okay if you let them if you

2311
01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:43,090
don't think of them as lower animals

2312
01:34:49,049 --> 01:34:45,340
they'll start behaving differently

2313
01:34:51,259 --> 01:34:49,059
towards you and they very quickly sense

2314
01:34:56,279 --> 01:34:51,269
what you're thinking and feeling and

2315
01:35:02,399 --> 01:34:56,289
they respond to it any come on tonight

2316
01:35:04,589 --> 01:35:02,409
Joe beyond my knowledge I mean I saw

2317
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:04,599
well yesterday here and I was remarking

2318
01:35:08,669 --> 01:35:06,239
to my friend how intelligent they are

2319
01:35:10,259 --> 01:35:08,679
but I just don't know how you how do you

2320
01:35:12,209 --> 01:35:10,269
test it you know how do you test whether

2321
01:35:14,910 --> 01:35:12,219
or not there's telepathy going on there

2322
01:35:19,950 --> 01:35:14,920
I guess maybe I need to look into it

2323
01:35:23,729 --> 01:35:19,960
more um yeah maybe it's a water proof

2324
01:35:25,470 --> 01:35:23,739
center cards although Ingo Swann said

2325
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:25,480
that was the most boring way to do

2326
01:35:28,770 --> 01:35:27,130
telepathy right they go yeah that's all

2327
01:35:29,939 --> 01:35:28,780
he got bored but stuff really quickly

2328
01:35:33,060 --> 01:35:29,949
when they were doing those kind of tests

2329
01:35:35,069 --> 01:35:33,070
with him it's fact I talked with dolphin

2330
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:35,079
sliders but I can't understand these

2331
01:35:39,780 --> 01:35:38,050
results on the first run of a hundred

2332
01:35:42,810 --> 01:35:39,790
tests the dolphin

2333
01:35:45,930 --> 01:35:42,820
perfectly on the second run of 100 tests

2334
01:35:47,070 --> 01:35:45,940
if score is filled an average and I just

2335
01:35:50,940 --> 01:35:47,080
shook my head you know

2336
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:50,950
boredom head sit in ha ha ha dolphin

2337
01:36:02,580 --> 01:36:00,150
swimming around in the vast and endless

2338
01:36:04,250 --> 01:36:02,590
ocean get pinned up in little pools

2339
01:36:06,540 --> 01:36:04,260
right yeah

2340
01:36:11,190 --> 01:36:06,550
all right well Malcolm thanks for the

2341
01:36:13,410 --> 01:36:11,200
call okay good night night all right so

2342
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:13,420
the lines are open if anyone wants to

2343
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:15,130
call in that number again eight five

2344
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:18,850
five four seven two five four eight

2345
01:36:27,390 --> 01:36:24,490
three you know the bottom line is you

2346
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:27,400
know when we're talking about all this

2347
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:29,110
subject and so much more that we've

2348
01:36:33,570 --> 01:36:31,570
talked about tonight and any time on

2349
01:36:35,940 --> 01:36:33,580
this show basically is that we actually

2350
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:35,950
know very little you know we know very

2351
01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:38,370
little of what's going on around us and

2352
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:41,110
very little about what's even in the

2353
01:36:47,220 --> 01:36:44,650
ocean you know there's just so much and

2354
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:47,230
very little about our brains you know I

2355
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:50,170
mean that's there's just so much more to

2356
01:36:56,300 --> 01:36:52,690
learn and we're just like on the ground

2357
01:36:59,580 --> 01:36:56,310
floor of all that it's all fascinating I

2358
01:37:01,530 --> 01:36:59,590
can't even imagine what the next 5-10

2359
01:37:03,210 --> 01:37:01,540
years are gonna bring breakthroughs

2360
01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:03,220
we're gonna have you know in the past we

2361
01:37:06,030 --> 01:37:04,510
thought we've been we thought we knew

2362
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:06,040
everything at one point you know no more

2363
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:08,080
patents out everything's been invented

2364
01:37:13,050 --> 01:37:10,330
so it's gonna be pretty amazing I mean

2365
01:37:14,910 --> 01:37:13,060
I'm I know I get a lot of flack because

2366
01:37:17,490 --> 01:37:14,920
a lot of people follow me on Twitter are

2367
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:17,500
just hardcore UFO nuts and bolts and if

2368
01:37:21,180 --> 01:37:19,210
I bring up telepathy or remote viewing

2369
01:37:23,970 --> 01:37:21,190
and I've taken remote view in classes

2370
01:37:26,940 --> 01:37:23,980
and I have a strong interest in that I

2371
01:37:28,410 --> 01:37:26,950
know I know it works I mean personally I

2372
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:28,420
can't prove it to people but my

2373
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:31,090
experiences add little tiny hits but

2374
01:37:33,900 --> 01:37:32,290
enough where I like okay there's

2375
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:33,910
obviously something going on here and

2376
01:37:37,500 --> 01:37:36,010
then seeing our teacher you know Lynne

2377
01:37:40,410 --> 01:37:37,510
be candid was one of the guys I studied

2378
01:37:42,030 --> 01:37:40,420
with and you know that stuff went on for

2379
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:42,040
20 years in the government and people

2380
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:43,690
like well the government spends you know

2381
01:37:47,130 --> 01:37:45,010
twenty million dollars twenty years

2382
01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:47,140
government spends money it doesn't mean

2383
01:37:51,330 --> 01:37:49,510
it's legitimate but it's just do we do I

2384
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:51,340
always tell people try it yourself you

2385
01:37:55,110 --> 01:37:53,440
can go online get get the manual

2386
01:37:58,710 --> 01:37:55,120
try it yourself and see what you come up

2387
01:38:02,430 --> 01:37:58,720
with so yeah like I said UFO people

2388
01:38:04,110 --> 01:38:02,440
they'll call it woo and uh but i still

2389
01:38:06,270 --> 01:38:04,120
bring it up i love that stuff

2390
01:38:08,820 --> 01:38:06,280
ya know I find I find that fascinating

2391
01:38:10,890 --> 01:38:08,830
and just the fact that there's been so

2392
01:38:13,380 --> 01:38:10,900
much accuracy I know we're going way off

2393
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:13,390
the UFO topic but there has been so much

2394
01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:16,210
accuracy I remember I was on Mac Maloney

2395
01:38:24,780 --> 01:38:20,950
show military x-files I don't know four

2396
01:38:26,610 --> 01:38:24,790
or five years ago he I was up and it was

2397
01:38:29,190 --> 01:38:26,620
through Skype but I didn't have there

2398
01:38:30,660 --> 01:38:29,200
was no video and he actually you know

2399
01:38:32,910 --> 01:38:30,670
played the game with me okay I have

2400
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:32,920
something on my desk and you know what

2401
01:38:36,060 --> 01:38:34,570
is it and I said it looks kind of like a

2402
01:38:40,140 --> 01:38:36,070
turtle and he said you're right it's a

2403
01:38:41,610 --> 01:38:40,150
hard hat but I mean I just I personally

2404
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:41,620
just said the first thing that came into

2405
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:43,930
my mind you know I and I don't know I

2406
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:45,730
wouldn't call that working I would just

2407
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:47,290
talk all that you know more or less

2408
01:38:52,590 --> 01:38:49,330
lucky but I'm wondering if you know a

2409
01:38:54,180 --> 01:38:52,600
lot of it is you know just kind of along

2410
01:38:56,700 --> 01:38:54,190
those lines the first thing you think of

2411
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:56,710
you know it's interesting to me have you

2412
01:39:00,930 --> 01:38:58,960
have you ever you know that with the

2413
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,940
structure like what they tell you to do

2414
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:02,560
have you ever taken any basic classes

2415
01:39:05,730 --> 01:39:04,210
all do you know I don't it's basically

2416
01:39:09,150 --> 01:39:05,740
you're distracting you're you're

2417
01:39:10,410 --> 01:39:09,160
conscious just can come through so this

2418
01:39:11,850 --> 01:39:10,420
is a little exercising you're tapping

2419
01:39:13,410 --> 01:39:11,860
your pen you're saying stuff out loud

2420
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:13,420
and that's that's going on stuff it'll

2421
01:39:16,350 --> 01:39:14,560
just pop into your head you just write

2422
01:39:20,910 --> 01:39:16,360
it down and say it out loud it was Ingo

2423
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:20,920
Swann is and helpful to the ones that

2424
01:39:26,190 --> 01:39:24,880
came and kind of you know and people

2425
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:26,200
need to trial it like I said that

2426
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:28,000
controlled remote viewing manual is

2427
01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:30,010
online I took classes with other people

2428
01:39:34,590 --> 01:39:32,320
too but Lynn is just a straight-laced

2429
01:39:36,750 --> 01:39:34,600
guy and I have a Linda kind of story

2430
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:36,760
that he told me and it's controversial

2431
01:39:43,860 --> 01:39:39,930
and I'm hesitated to blog about it it

2432
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:43,870
it's related to seeing extraterrestrials

2433
01:39:46,710 --> 01:39:45,520
with humans that's the story and it's

2434
01:39:50,190 --> 01:39:46,720
like do I want to put this out there

2435
01:39:52,440 --> 01:39:50,200
because it's unverifiable I met him and

2436
01:39:54,420 --> 01:39:52,450
he's he was really solid guy I liked him

2437
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:54,430
a lot and he shared some stories with me

2438
01:39:58,650 --> 01:39:57,010
so I don't know I have to die still have

2439
01:40:00,540 --> 01:39:58,660
to decide whether or not I want to put a

2440
01:40:02,670 --> 01:40:00,550
filter on myself do I care about you

2441
01:40:04,710 --> 01:40:02,680
know you know I don't do I care about

2442
01:40:07,109 --> 01:40:04,720
credibility because it's gonna be it's

2443
01:40:08,580 --> 01:40:07,119
like I said it's on verify unverifiable

2444
01:40:10,109 --> 01:40:08,590
but interesting saying them with kick

2445
01:40:11,939 --> 01:40:10,119
grain but I'm sharing that that ones

2446
01:40:15,209 --> 01:40:11,949
that's been shared around it just hasn't

2447
01:40:16,859 --> 01:40:15,219
made it into the public realm yet yes

2448
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:16,869
yep there's you know there's there are

2449
01:40:23,459 --> 01:40:19,090
of course a lot of things you know

2450
01:40:25,649 --> 01:40:23,469
around this topic that you know that you

2451
01:40:27,869 --> 01:40:25,659
can talk about that are controversial it

2452
01:40:30,929 --> 01:40:27,879
doesn't mean that you have to you know

2453
01:40:33,449 --> 01:40:30,939
lose any credibility you can just the

2454
01:40:35,850 --> 01:40:33,459
way you approach it is very important

2455
01:40:37,770 --> 01:40:35,860
you know I mean to approach it as you

2456
01:40:40,049 --> 01:40:37,780
know this is interesting and not like

2457
01:40:41,609 --> 01:40:40,059
this is fact right yeah that's what I'll

2458
01:40:43,500 --> 01:40:41,619
do I'll just interesting you know

2459
01:40:46,739 --> 01:40:43,510
there's a story do with what do with it

2460
01:40:48,839 --> 01:40:46,749
what you want right right so the lines

2461
01:40:51,089 --> 01:40:48,849
open we have we can take one more call

2462
01:40:53,429 --> 01:40:51,099
if someone liked to call in because we

2463
01:40:59,639 --> 01:40:53,439
only have about six or seven minutes

2464
01:41:02,399 --> 01:40:59,649
left here to the show any any other blog

2465
01:41:05,250 --> 01:41:02,409
that you did that really stood out as

2466
01:41:07,319 --> 01:41:05,260
far as you know people interacting with

2467
01:41:09,089 --> 01:41:07,329
you actually someone is calling in will

2468
01:41:11,219 --> 01:41:09,099
take their call in just a minute but go

2469
01:41:13,589 --> 01:41:11,229
ahead and finish that if you would yeah

2470
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:13,599
I mean well as of late I've been doing

2471
01:41:16,589 --> 01:41:15,610
so much transcribing which I really

2472
01:41:19,469 --> 01:41:16,599
don't want to be known as the

2473
01:41:21,629 --> 01:41:19,479
transcriber so I need to get back to

2474
01:41:23,399 --> 01:41:21,639
doing articles Erik Davis remains my

2475
01:41:27,330 --> 01:41:23,409
best my favorite article the Bob Lazar

2476
01:41:29,850 --> 01:41:27,340
one interacting with him because he's he

2477
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:29,860
is the most knowledgeable person on this

2478
01:41:33,509 --> 01:41:31,449
subject it's amazing if you've listened

2479
01:41:35,159 --> 01:41:33,519
to any news with him I would love to

2480
01:41:36,810 --> 01:41:35,169
interview him one day just open

2481
01:41:40,409 --> 01:41:36,820
interview he's done he's done various

2482
01:41:43,129 --> 01:41:40,419
interviews well him that's right it's

2483
01:41:46,020 --> 01:41:43,139
yeah he's such a fountain of information

2484
01:41:47,879 --> 01:41:46,030
yeah I need to work more on engaging

2485
01:41:50,669 --> 01:41:47,889
with more people I have not done that I

2486
01:41:52,199 --> 01:41:50,679
did that in the past I mean I'm lucky I

2487
01:41:56,369 --> 01:41:52,209
was able to interview Stanton Friedman

2488
01:41:58,379 --> 01:41:56,379
way back when I had my newsletter it was

2489
01:41:59,580 --> 01:41:58,389
great I was one of the UFO conferences I

2490
01:42:01,830 --> 01:41:59,590
used I used to go to the conference's

2491
01:42:03,239 --> 01:42:01,840
back Gulf Breeze used to have a great

2492
01:42:06,029 --> 01:42:03,249
UFO conference when I lived down in

2493
01:42:07,589 --> 01:42:06,039
Florida so yeah that's that's my goal to

2494
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:07,599
be doing more interviews and act you

2495
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:09,010
know interacting with more people in the

2496
01:42:12,119 --> 01:42:10,090
fields because I've gotten away with

2497
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:12,129
that I've gotten away from that recently

2498
01:42:18,389 --> 01:42:15,489
been so focused on transcribing right

2499
01:42:20,420 --> 01:42:18,399
right okay well we have we have a run

2500
01:42:23,810 --> 01:42:20,430
from Minnesota

2501
01:42:25,670 --> 01:42:23,820
welcome to the show Ron how you doing

2502
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:25,680
Martin thank you for the call and thank

2503
01:42:40,100 --> 01:42:37,610
thank you for your guests again I had a

2504
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:40,110
question about well first of all let me

2505
01:42:44,180 --> 01:42:41,370
say thank you for all the people that

2506
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:44,190
really are seriously doing honest work

2507
01:42:49,570 --> 01:42:46,770
out there and they're trying to get the

2508
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:49,580
information to the public

2509
01:42:53,180 --> 01:42:51,600
unfortunately I don't think that a lot

2510
01:42:56,170 --> 01:42:53,190
of the public is going to be ready for

2511
01:42:59,240 --> 01:42:56,180
the real truth that comes out so

2512
01:43:03,050 --> 01:42:59,250
hopefully we can get in contact with

2513
01:43:04,970 --> 01:43:03,060
people like and kgraney and other people

2514
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:04,980
you know they're really seriously

2515
01:43:09,950 --> 01:43:08,130
involved in the real study of this and

2516
01:43:12,410 --> 01:43:09,960
we can really get some real answers and

2517
01:43:15,050 --> 01:43:12,420
not be so shocked when we find the truth

2518
01:43:16,700 --> 01:43:15,060
and but I want to thank you guys for

2519
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:16,710
what you're doing and for everyone else

2520
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:18,960
it is sincere about what you're doing

2521
01:43:25,340 --> 01:43:21,690
I've never seen a UFO or saying you know

2522
01:43:27,050 --> 01:43:25,350
that I can call a UFO or claims and so I

2523
01:43:28,700 --> 01:43:27,060
don't try to claim that I have seen one

2524
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:28,710
but I have seen some weird stuff but

2525
01:43:34,730 --> 01:43:32,010
that's about all I can say um but um

2526
01:43:37,670 --> 01:43:34,740
what do you think attracts certain

2527
01:43:39,890 --> 01:43:37,680
people to this field that would be a

2528
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:39,900
good question and that probably I'll

2529
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:42,560
listen to it off the phone Michael

2530
01:43:47,470 --> 01:43:45,930
Corleone thank you thank you Ron good

2531
01:43:50,030 --> 01:43:47,480
graceless yeah that's a great question

2532
01:43:52,580 --> 01:43:50,040
yes and then I don't know who said it

2533
01:43:56,180 --> 01:43:52,590
but they were they were asked why are

2534
01:43:58,250 --> 01:43:56,190
you interested in this subject and the

2535
01:43:59,630 --> 01:43:58,260
answer was how can you not be interested

2536
01:44:02,480 --> 01:43:59,640
in this subject and I don't know I don't

2537
01:44:05,180 --> 01:44:02,490
know the answer because nobody nobody in

2538
01:44:07,460 --> 01:44:05,190
my family my extended family nobody has

2539
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:07,470
any not in not just a passing interest

2540
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:09,330
they have zero interest in this so you

2541
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:11,850
know what where does my obsession come

2542
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:12,960
from it as soon as I heard the first

2543
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:14,370
time I heard some of the research and

2544
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:16,290
books I was like this is this is so

2545
01:44:19,580 --> 01:44:18,210
interesting I mean and people are like

2546
01:44:21,740 --> 01:44:19,590
well you're just trying to distract from

2547
01:44:24,230 --> 01:44:21,750
boring everyday life but that's not the

2548
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:24,240
case I mean my life is not boring and I

2549
01:44:28,700 --> 01:44:26,010
I'm good with bored of a lot of the time

2550
01:44:31,070 --> 01:44:28,710
this stuff yeah you know boredom can be

2551
01:44:32,750 --> 01:44:31,080
good yeah oh this stuff is fascinating

2552
01:44:34,340 --> 01:44:32,760
to me it's a mystery who doesn't love a

2553
01:44:37,130 --> 01:44:34,350
mystery and George Knapp said

2554
01:44:38,930 --> 01:44:37,140
his lecture at Megacon he's like because

2555
01:44:41,060 --> 01:44:38,940
this has to be fun I mean obviously yeah

2556
01:44:43,100 --> 01:44:41,070
we debate stuff and sometimes it gets

2557
01:44:45,170 --> 01:44:43,110
heated but this should be fun for people

2558
01:44:47,630 --> 01:44:45,180
you know unless of course as Chris

2559
01:44:50,180 --> 01:44:47,640
Mullin said Chris Malone said uh you

2560
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:50,190
know he goes they say we can handle the

2561
01:44:53,150 --> 01:44:51,810
truth and he goes but what if we don't

2562
01:44:56,330 --> 01:44:53,160
know the truth what if the truth is

2563
01:44:59,600 --> 01:44:56,340
there there are flesh-eating arachnids

2564
01:44:59,930 --> 01:44:59,610
can Americans handle a truth like you

2565
01:45:04,490 --> 01:44:59,940
know

2566
01:45:08,900 --> 01:45:04,500
are they're not very hungry because as

2567
01:45:12,170 --> 01:45:08,910
far as we know they have not been eating

2568
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:12,180
us as far as we know yeah no I just a

2569
01:45:15,290 --> 01:45:14,250
follow-up to you said like interacting

2570
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:15,300
one of my favorite things was

2571
01:45:20,420 --> 01:45:16,890
interacting with the tic-tac witnesses

2572
01:45:22,820 --> 01:45:20,430
in a UFO Megacon because Kevin day and I

2573
01:45:25,220 --> 01:45:22,830
on Facebook we would battle I would go

2574
01:45:27,380 --> 01:45:25,230
so hard at Kevin day in question every

2575
01:45:29,060 --> 01:45:27,390
detail every detail and he would come

2576
01:45:31,190 --> 01:45:29,070
back just as hard and when I met him in

2577
01:45:32,900 --> 01:45:31,200
person it was totally different story we

2578
01:45:35,090 --> 01:45:32,910
got along great we got along so well and

2579
01:45:38,180 --> 01:45:35,100
I'm got this and I got to see that the

2580
01:45:41,090 --> 01:45:38,190
group the group talk seen him Gary PJ

2581
01:45:42,830 --> 01:45:41,100
and Jason and I transcribed most of that

2582
01:45:44,150 --> 01:45:42,840
that was one of the best experience I

2583
01:45:45,470 --> 01:45:44,160
had getting out there so I need to get

2584
01:45:48,980 --> 01:45:45,480
out to more conferences and meet some

2585
01:45:52,700 --> 01:45:48,990
more of the witnesses yes I had I had

2586
01:45:54,590 --> 01:45:52,710
Kevin day on this show and I communicate

2587
01:45:59,450 --> 01:45:54,600
quite a bit with him on Facebook as well

2588
01:46:02,690 --> 01:45:59,460
actually I believe the way he you know

2589
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:02,700
he kind of got into this a little bit

2590
01:46:07,610 --> 01:46:05,730
was uh I you know I he listened to one

2591
01:46:09,740 --> 01:46:07,620
of my shows and it kind of something

2592
01:46:11,900 --> 01:46:09,750
kind of snowballed into it he knew about

2593
01:46:14,630 --> 01:46:11,910
this he actually saw something on when

2594
01:46:17,570 --> 01:46:14,640
he was working at a Golf Club saw

2595
01:46:20,810 --> 01:46:17,580
something on TV about David flavor but

2596
01:46:22,490 --> 01:46:20,820
but anyway he's been an interesting

2597
01:46:25,580 --> 01:46:22,500
person to talk to about this whole thing

2598
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:25,590
and I know that there was something

2599
01:46:31,250 --> 01:46:28,560
negative set by David flavor himself but

2600
01:46:34,010 --> 01:46:31,260
I do believe that he softened up on that

2601
01:46:35,450 --> 01:46:34,020
as far as yeah I didn't see him soften

2602
01:46:37,070 --> 01:46:35,460
up because I was all over Twitter when

2603
01:46:38,540 --> 01:46:37,080
that happened and I was defending Kevin

2604
01:46:39,710 --> 01:46:38,550
and I was really coming hard on flavor

2605
01:46:42,530 --> 01:46:39,720
because I thought it was uncalled for

2606
01:46:44,750 --> 01:46:42,540
when you questioned people who had PTSD

2607
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:44,760
or they claim to have PTSD and saying

2608
01:46:47,660 --> 01:46:46,650
you know I and flavor was like I was up

2609
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:47,670
close to the

2610
01:46:51,709 --> 01:46:50,010
after I chased it I don't have PTSD it's

2611
01:46:53,330 --> 01:46:51,719
like really I mean why would you even

2612
01:46:54,410 --> 01:46:53,340
bring that up but I won't go into that

2613
01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:54,420
further but yeah I know what you're

2614
01:46:58,010 --> 01:46:55,110
talking about

2615
01:47:01,790 --> 01:46:58,020
yeah okay well you know we're right at

2616
01:47:04,220 --> 01:47:01,800
the tail end of the show is so anything

2617
01:47:06,110 --> 01:47:04,230
else you want to you know you want to

2618
01:47:09,650 --> 01:47:06,120
plug that you're doing you know coming

2619
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:09,660
up no just just those two you know the

2620
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:12,690
Eric Davis Bob Lazar Bigelow blog this

2621
01:47:17,330 --> 01:47:15,330
week or next and the kick green

2622
01:47:19,370 --> 01:47:17,340
transcript all hub I'll have a that up

2623
01:47:20,990 --> 01:47:19,380
soon and then I have Martin I have so

2624
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:21,000
many blogs just sitting there and ideas

2625
01:47:23,900 --> 01:47:22,410
in my head I'm like I gotta get to them

2626
01:47:25,340 --> 01:47:23,910
and then a transcript you know interview

2627
01:47:28,970 --> 01:47:25,350
comes in like people can you transcribe

2628
01:47:30,169 --> 01:47:28,980
that so you know so just yeah I got to

2629
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:30,179
start working better with time

2630
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:33,360
management that's a big thing I had I

2631
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:35,040
actually used to have someone transcribe

2632
01:47:39,110 --> 01:47:36,510
the shows just because I was trying to

2633
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:39,120
get some traction on my website it's a

2634
01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:41,010
lot of work you know I mean I had I

2635
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:42,960
tried to fill in one time and and do

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01:47:47,689 --> 01:47:45,090
that now they have you can actually get

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01:47:50,330 --> 01:47:47,699
it done online fairly you know it's so

2638
01:47:52,970 --> 01:47:50,340
much so so much of a cost per minute or

2639
01:47:55,010 --> 01:47:52,980
something like that but anyway I really

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01:47:58,040 --> 01:47:55,020
appreciate it where can someone contact

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01:48:01,520 --> 01:47:58,050
you also through your website they could

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01:48:03,890 --> 01:48:01,530
contact me at yeah the website you fo

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01:48:06,919 --> 01:48:03,900
Joe dotnet I have never really given out

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01:48:09,470 --> 01:48:06,929
an email address that's it's yeah hold

2645
01:48:11,570 --> 01:48:09,480
all there's nothing on the website arts

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01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:11,580
contact but I'm on Twitter did it do it

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01:48:16,910 --> 01:48:14,250
through Twitter UFO Joe one one you just

2648
01:48:18,050 --> 01:48:16,920
type in Joe Maria or UFO Joe one one

2649
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:18,060
you'll see me on Twitter and that's

2650
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:19,650
where usually where I interact most I

2651
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:22,560
see all right Joe hey thanks so much has

2652
01:48:26,990 --> 01:48:24,810
been a real pleasure yeah thank you so

2653
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:27,000
much Martin for having me on been great

2654
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:28,320
all right excellent

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01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:30,480
all right everyone so that's it for our

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01:48:36,169 --> 01:48:33,360
show this evening thank you so much for

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01:48:39,110 --> 01:48:36,179
checking us out and listening and we'll

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01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:39,120
be back next week with the j-3 team I'm

2659
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:41,370
gonna be talking about their recent film

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01:48:46,250 --> 01:48:43,530
it's the executive producer I do believe

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01:48:47,810 --> 01:48:46,260
in another person from that I want to

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01:48:50,630 --> 01:48:47,820
thank everyone that supports the show

2663
01:48:51,140 --> 01:48:50,640
and I want to thank every listener our

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01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:51,150
guest

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01:48:56,860 --> 01:48:54,170
of course Joe mercy oh and also

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01:48:59,330 --> 01:48:56,870
Alejandro Rojas for the UFO updates

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01:49:01,130 --> 01:48:59,340
thanks again everyone and remember to

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01:49:05,090 --> 01:49:01,140
keep your eyes to the

2669
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:05,100
I and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

2670
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:05,850
triangle

2671
01:49:08,060 --> 01:49:06,960
you know there's explanation for

2672
01:49:09,380 --> 01:49:08,070
everything that occurred in the

2673
01:49:11,540 --> 01:49:09,390
Rendlesham forest incident

2674
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:11,550
it wasn't involvement aliens at all it

2675
01:49:17,150 --> 01:49:13,920
was completely silent like it comes

2676
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:17,160
right over our head it's so classic

2677
01:49:21,230 --> 01:49:19,410
flying-saucer really standing in the

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01:49:22,700 --> 01:49:21,240
clearing he turned over to my father and